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Re: Anyone also disappointed by the W2?

Postby DJKeys » 20 Jun 2020, 18:33

OK understood. You may be able to accomplish that using the Mod Envelope affecting pitch.

I guess I never needed that kind of nuance in a lead sound, with delay and aftertouch vibrato, I am good-

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Re: Anyone also disappointed by the W2?

Postby tsss27 » 21 Jun 2020, 21:43

Regarding factory presets I am the same way. I basically never use them, other than as starting points sometimes...which is why it amazes me how many companies prevent their factory sounds from being overwritten. Nord definitely got that one right in my book!
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Re: Anyone also disappointed by the W2?

Postby DJKeys » 21 Jun 2020, 21:49

Exactly. I never understood why Dave Smith instruments/Sequential had 500 patches in my P6 that could not be overwritten. Many companies do not have the Sound Manager/Sample Editor which is a huge plus in my book.

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Re: Anyone also disappointed by the W2?

Postby musicaldudeist » 22 Jun 2020, 00:48

The only critique I would over regarding Nord presets is that there is NO sense of organization to how they put them in the banks, at least on my Grand and Wave 2. If one was inclined to use them, it would be of great benefit if they were organized in some way from the factory so that they could be more easily located.
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Re: Anyone also disappointed by the W2?

Postby alex78 » 22 Jun 2020, 02:48

I think the reason of the lack of organization is the fact that every musician needs different sounds, so they give users the freedom to put them in the order they want, change them, delete them, substitute them, whatever...Why bother putting them in a specific order when it's most likely no one will keep that order? IMO Factory presets are more like a demo of what the instrument is capable of and how some things work. You use it to make YOUR sounds, to play YOUR music and that is awesome. Imagine all musicians playing with the same presets? Everyone would sound the same.
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Re: Anyone also disappointed by the W2?

Postby DJKeys » 22 Jun 2020, 03:28

It actually happened in the 80s when the DX7 was introduced. There must have been 20 records with that DX7 electric piano sound on them-

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Re: Anyone also disappointed by the W2?

Postby tsss27 » 22 Jun 2020, 03:32

The D50 has a lot of very famous preset sounds too. Good presets become valuable on equipment that is difficult to program. I don't think they'd be too important on the Wave 2, or really any Nord for that matter, due to the ease of use.
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Re: Anyone also disappointed by the W2?

Postby musicaldudeist » 22 Jun 2020, 04:09

You can give the users all that same freedom, and still have the nice touch of organized sounds as a nice cherry on top. Maybe some musicians don't use them at all, maybe some only use them as starting points. Either way, an organized set of sound used just to demo stuff still makes more sense than a random hodge podge of sounds, at least in my mind. And honestly, is it really all that much trouble? It takes far more time to begin with to even program all those "throw away" presets... the trivial amount of extra time to group, say, Pianos together seems quite reasonable.

Nothing about structuring the order of the sounds requires musicians to be less creative with their own designs, nor forces them to all sound the same. I can imagine musicians seeing a structure set of sounds and still designing their own. You can still make your own sounds regardless.
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Re: Anyone also disappointed by the W2?

Postby musicaldudeist » 22 Jun 2020, 13:26

At any rate, that remains my critique of their preset banks. I get that it isn't an issue for other folks. It certainly wasn't a deal breaker for me, I just think it doesn't make sense. The world keeps turning regardless...
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Re: Anyone also disappointed by the W2?

Postby fieldflower » 22 Jun 2020, 14:43

Hlaalu wrote:
musicaldudeist wrote:You can give the users all that same freedom, and still have the nice touch of organized sounds as a nice cherry on top. Maybe some musicians don't use them at all, maybe some only use them as starting points. Either way, an organized set of sound used just to demo stuff still makes more sense than a random hodge podge of sounds, at least in my mind. And honestly, is it really all that much trouble? It takes far more time to begin with to even program all those "throw away" presets... the trivial amount of extra time to group, say, Pianos together seems quite reasonable.


To play Devil's advocate, I don't think that it is as simple as you say to come up with a way of sorting hundreds of program in a way which makes immediate sense to anyone looking at it. It could be the case that there is indeed a logic behind the factory sorting but it isn't obvious to all the users.

For some people things like "I'll sort my Programs in chronological order I have been playing them in the last year" is something that actually makes more sense than anything else.

For me personally simply grouping all pianos in the same Bank and all the organs in another Bank and so on would not be an optimal solution for practical use. In this way you'd have to constantly jump between, say, Bank A and Bank F to switch between piano and organ. Plus, what's the criteria to sort all piano sounds inside of a Bank? And how do you manage adding a Program to a location later on?

At the end I think that most of us, regardless of the ordering criteria, end up simply memorizing the location of the Programs we use the most...


My belief is that the presets, and the order of the presets, are created to showcase the keyboard to a user that sits down the very first time.
For that user it may be boring if preset 2 is very similar to preset 1, which may make the user proceed to the next keyboard in the shop.
It's a much better showcase to aim for "wow, that's different!" with every new preset.

I also hate random order and always reorganize my stuff according to MY preference, which I guess most anyone does post-purchase.
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