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Postby rusty5 » 05 Oct 2020, 19:43

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I am having a problem with my Stage 2.
It is playing ok. No problems with any performance/sound aspects.
There are lights staying on for no reason in the piano section, including one split light near middle E. They are dim in comparison to the lights that should be AND are on. This is intermittent.
Any ideas?

Thx

*Update the defaulting to A:02:1 has been fixed.*
"However, when turning on the keyboard or changing patches in the piano section, ie, EP, Clav... the patch window initially shows the correct patch but then changes to A:02:1* no matter what patch is chosen, it does play the correct sound just doesn’t show it in the window. When turning the keyboard on it defaults to the Black Upright A:02:1 patch, (I did nothing to make this happen. Usually opens to the last patch I used the previous time I used the keybaord."
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Re: unnecessary lights on...defaulting to A:02:1 patch

Postby maxpiano » 06 Oct 2020, 08:45

You cannot "change patches in a section", actually you are only changing "parameters" of that section (which will be displayed only while changing them) within the same patch/program you have selected (which is displayed normally and the * means "modified" i.e. you changed some parameters).

Maybe you should (re)study the NS manual to understand its concepts, mainly Sections vs Programs (a Program is always a collection of all settings of all sections) and more, it doesn't take a lot and you will learn to master your NS quickly.
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Re: unnecessary lights on...defaulting to A:02:1 patch

Postby analogika » 06 Oct 2020, 12:40

On the Stage, a "program" is the whole set of two organs, two pianos, and two synths, plus the entire set of effects — one of each for both Slots A and B.

It doesn't matter whether a particular effect, organ, synth or piano engine are actually switched on: their settings are still saved as part of the program.

When you load up program # A:02:1, that program includes both organs, both synths, both pianos, and all effects. As soon as you change a setting (like choosing a different piano), the display shows the change you've made and then switches back to showing the program number, but adds a "*" at the end to show that you've edited the program. So far, absolutely normal.

If you switch it off and back on, and it "defaults" to A:02:1 but with an asterisk "*" at the end, then it's booting to the exact setting it was at when you switched it off.

No idea about the split light or what LEDs are on that you think shouldn't be. Video or photo perhaps?
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Re: unnecessary lights on...defaulting to A:02:1 patch

Postby rusty5 » 06 Oct 2020, 15:00

maxpiano wrote:You cannot "change patches in a section", actually you are only changing "parameters" of that section (which will be displayed only while changing them) within the same patch/program you have selected (which is displayed normally and the * means "modified" i.e. you changed some parameters).

Maybe you should (re)study the NS manual to understand its concepts, mainly Sections vs Programs (a Program is always a collection of all settings of all sections) and more, it doesn't take a lot and you will learn to master your NS quickly.


Hi maxpiano, I guess I didn't explain the situation correctly. I bought my Stage 2 in 2013. Fully aware of it's concepts an how to use it. Something changed this past weekend in that it's defaulting to Black Upright when I turn the keyboard on. In the past it would boot up to that last program I used. That's one thing. The other thing that it's doing is illuminating lights that have nothing to do with the sound/ patch/ parameters...what ever you want to call it. These extra lights are dim in comparison to the ones that should be lit, AND have no effect on the sound. As of now it is doing this light thing intermittently.
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Re: unnecessary lights on...defaulting to A:02:1 patch

Postby rusty5 » 06 Oct 2020, 15:19

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analogika wrote:On the Stage, a "program" is the whole set of two organs, two pianos, and two synths, plus the entire set of effects — one of each for both Slots A and B.

It doesn't matter whether a particular effect, organ, synth or piano engine are actually switched on: their settings are still saved as part of the program.

When you load up program # A:02:1, that program includes both organs, both synths, both pianos, and all effects. As soon as you change a setting (like choosing a different piano), the display shows the change you've made and then switches back to showing the program number, but adds a "*" at the end to show that you've edited the program. So far, absolutely normal.

If you switch it off and back on, and it "defaults" to A:02:1 but with an asterisk "*" at the end, then it's booting to the exact setting it was at when you switched it off.

No idea about the split light or what LEDs are on that you think shouldn't be. Video or photo perhaps?


Hi Analogika, Fully aware on how the board works "programs" etc. Problem is simple. I push the "piano" "info" button to choose say Clav d. The sound changes to Clav d however the display diverts back to Black Upright with an *. It should display Clav d correct? It always did that in the past...display shows your currently selected sound.

As for the LEDs here's a list of what is dimly illuminated, (AND has nothing todo with the sound/patch) when I select Grand Imperial A:01:1 (these are headings above each light)
Treb
mst clock
tap/set
program 4 (should just be program 1)
split point middle E
aftertouch
cntrl ped
program bank B (should be A)
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Re: unnecessary lights on...defaulting to A:02:1 patch

Postby rusty5 » 06 Oct 2020, 15:37

Hlaalu wrote:
rusty5 wrote:They are dim in comparison to the lights that should be on. This is intermittent.


Do these LEDs look like mine in the clip you see attached on post 1 of this thread?

nord-stage-forum-f3/nord-stage-3-88ha-led-ghosting-issue-t19081.html

Mine aren't visible at day, only at night, and still you have to look close. How are yours?


Hi Hlaalu, Our problem seems similar. The difference I have is this ghosting/dim lights are only effecting the piano section.
I use this board frequently (though not as much during this Covid thing) I baby this keyboard...no drops, spills etc... To me it seems it could be a loose or dirty connector inside. Tapping, nudging the board doesn't make it happen but the lights will stay on then go off while the board is just sitting there. The problem is intermittent. I attached a pic in the post.
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Re: unnecessary lights on...defaulting to A:02:1 patch

Postby analogika » 06 Oct 2020, 15:49

rusty5 wrote:
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Hi Analogika, Fully aware on how the board works "programs" etc. Problem is simple. I push the "piano" "info" button to choose say Clav d. The sound changes to Clav d however the display diverts back to Black Upright with an *. It should display Clav d correct? It always did that in the past...display shows your currently selected sound.

Absolutely not. It should display whatever the name of the PROGRAM is, with an asterisk to indicate that it has been edited.

If the PROGRAM is named "Black Upright", then that name doesn't change just because you've switched samples or changed some of the settings. This is a bit confusing, because many of the preset programs are named for the samples/pianos used and of course don't change just because you've decided on a different piano sample.

As for the LEDs, I no longer have my Stage 2 (Stage 3 now), so somebody who owns one will have to get back to you on the subject of bleed.

The Stage in that photo definitely has Split mode turned on — perhaps on Slot B?
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Re: unnecessary lights on...defaulting to A:02:1 patch

Postby rusty5 » 06 Oct 2020, 17:35

analogika wrote:
rusty5 wrote:
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Hi Analogika, Fully aware on how the board works "programs" etc. Problem is simple. I push the "piano" "info" button to choose say Clav d. The sound changes to Clav d however the display diverts back to Black Upright with an *. It should display Clav d correct? It always did that in the past...display shows your currently selected sound.

Absolutely not. It should display whatever the name of the PROGRAM is, with an asterisk to indicate that it has been edited.

If the PROGRAM is named "Black Upright", then that name doesn't change just because you've switched samples or changed some of the settings. This is a bit confusing, because many of the preset programs are named for the samples/pianos used and of course don't change just because you've decided on a different piano sample.

As for the LEDs, I no longer have my Stage 2 (Stage 3 now), so somebody who owns one will have to get back to you on the subject of bleed.

The Stage in that photo definitely has Split mode turned on — perhaps on Slot B?


Yes you are correct with with the whole display thing. However, something is up as it kept going back to that Black Upright*. That issue seems to have remedied itself.
Anyway, I am more concerned with the light problem. I have no splits set up in slot B. I can sit and watch the dim lights flicker on and off at times like there's a bad connection...short or something going on inside. Again when these lights come on they do not effect the sound. The randomness of the lights locations make so sense. It's not like they're bleeding.
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Re: Unnecessary lights on.

Postby alex78 » 06 Oct 2020, 18:30

Maybe I say something silly here but...is there a possibility that there is something wrong with the power supply of your house? maybe the voltage of your socket isn't stable so it causes problems to other equipment as well. I had problems with my computer due to this issue, especially when the weather was bad. I got a small voltage regulator that keeps the incoming voltage stable. Solved my problem with the pc and I'm not worried for damage to my keyboards too.

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Re: unnecessary lights on...defaulting to A:02:1 patch

Postby maxpiano » 07 Oct 2020, 08:49

rusty5 wrote:Anyway, I am more concerned with the light problem. I have no splits set up in slot B. I can sit and watch the dim lights flicker on and off at times like there's a bad connection...short or something going on inside. Again when these lights come on they do not effect the sound. The randomness of the lights locations make so sense. It's not like they're bleeding.


Open the NS2 and check the flat cables connecting the mainboard to the panel boards (unplug then replug them), if the problem persists there may be some faulty chip (or dirt causing short circuits) i.e, the panel boards may need some servicing (cleaning or chip replacement)
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