Hello!
In the near future i will play some songs that requiere some ducking effects on synthpads for example.
Did anyone do this with a Stage 3's synth?
Thanks
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Re: Sidechain/Ducking Effect - How to do?
You have to have a compressor with a side chain input, that is not the case with the Nord, it's just a "bus" compressor, to glue things and conteol the dynamic....But I might be mistaken and some guys like Analogika or Arti99 (and all the other real "Pro" that I cannot recall just now their name....) might have found a way to do it just with the Stage...
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Re: Sidechain/Ducking Effect - How to do?
Hi guys! Any suggestions more?
Ive made some "Sidechain" effect by tremolo (NS2ex) but it works not stable. Or what outside stuff you using for it? Thanks!
Ive made some "Sidechain" effect by tremolo (NS2ex) but it works not stable. Or what outside stuff you using for it? Thanks!
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Re: Sidechain/Ducking Effect - How to do?
The only way I’ve found to sort of mimic this effect is to use a control pedal morphed to volume and use that to pulse the sound rhythmically.
That's how I played Timberlake's "Can’t Stop the Feeling" — piano with a Synth layer, some ping-Pong delay, lots of reverb, pretty highly compressed to give it a bit of an artificial touch, and volume for the synth morphed to rise with the pedal on the "1 and" to give that side-chain swell.
It’s not exactly the original production sound, but it worked well enough in the band context that everybody was happy with it.
That's how I played Timberlake's "Can’t Stop the Feeling" — piano with a Synth layer, some ping-Pong delay, lots of reverb, pretty highly compressed to give it a bit of an artificial touch, and volume for the synth morphed to rise with the pedal on the "1 and" to give that side-chain swell.
It’s not exactly the original production sound, but it worked well enough in the band context that everybody was happy with it.
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Re: Sidechain/Ducking Effect - How to do?
analogika wrote:The only way I’ve found to sort of mimic this effect is to use a control pedal morphed to volume and use that to pulse the sound rhythmically.
That's how I played Timberlake's "Can’t Stop the Feeling" — piano with a Synth layer, some ping-Pong delay, lots of reverb, pretty highly compressed to give it a bit of an artificial touch, and volume for the synth morphed to rise with the pedal on the "1 and" to give that side-chain swell.
It’s not exactly the original production sound, but it worked well enough in the band context that everybody was happy with it.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
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Re: Sidechain/Ducking Effect - How to do?
Or you use the program made by someone here for stage 2 and you give your drummer the same beat p/click,as the tremolo is, we do it this way.... But I use the pedal to volume trick described by Analogika fro a song called My Fire, Kimberley Davis, singer of Chic and sing produced by Nile Rodgers and Tony Malone...
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Re: Sidechain/Ducking Effect - How to do?
Side-chain ducking is something I've had on my wishlist for quite a while! As others have already said, you can mimic the effect with an expression pedal either attenuating the filter cut-off or controlling the volume.
Another option is using the LFO (with a reverse ramp shape) to control the filter.... From memory I don't think you control volume with the LFO (which would sound more like an actual compressor), but if you play around with the settings, a quick filter sweep sounds close enough. It's also useful to sync the tempo to the master clock, so you can use "tap tempo" to keep it in time. Side note: while this works in theory, I've found it isn't as good in practise, as your own playing needs to match the LFO's tempo perfectly, or it ruins the effect.
If you're looking for external hardware to do this, your best bet would be a stompbox made by Rainger FX (old model is the "Minor Concussion, new model is the "Deep Space Pulsar"). Only downside is you can only use it in mono, as it is a guitar pedal.
Alternatively, there are a few hardware compressors that have a side chain input (from memory Alesis 3630, Empress Compressor, FNC Real Nice Compressor, Alesis NanoCompressor, maybe something by Eventide?), some of which might be a solution if you really need to run in stereo. But I'm not completely sure if they'd all have flexible enough parameters to be able to create a fast "pump"...
Or you could try the EHX Super Pulsar (it's basically a really flexible tremolo pedal), again using a reverse ramp shape. Bonus: has tap tempo, and it's stereo!
Another option would be to use a laptop with some sort of software (eg MainStage, Ableton etc), run your Nord's audio into the software and use a plugin compressor. A bit of a pain to set up but probably the most flexible (you could control the side chain with almost anything, an internal metronome, external audio such as a kick drum, an LFO, etc).
Or..... Buy a keyboard that can do it internally! Yamaha MODX/Montage, Korg Kronos/Krome, Roland JDXA/JDXi I believe can all do it (usually by routing a kick drum sound played by the keyboard to the onboard compressor, and muting the kick drum sound).
Too much information?! I've been trying to do this for a while, and spent far too much time researching the best way to accomplish sidechain ducking live, as it's quickly becoming an essential sound to recreate for function band keyboardists.
Hope this helps!
Another option is using the LFO (with a reverse ramp shape) to control the filter.... From memory I don't think you control volume with the LFO (which would sound more like an actual compressor), but if you play around with the settings, a quick filter sweep sounds close enough. It's also useful to sync the tempo to the master clock, so you can use "tap tempo" to keep it in time. Side note: while this works in theory, I've found it isn't as good in practise, as your own playing needs to match the LFO's tempo perfectly, or it ruins the effect.
If you're looking for external hardware to do this, your best bet would be a stompbox made by Rainger FX (old model is the "Minor Concussion, new model is the "Deep Space Pulsar"). Only downside is you can only use it in mono, as it is a guitar pedal.
Alternatively, there are a few hardware compressors that have a side chain input (from memory Alesis 3630, Empress Compressor, FNC Real Nice Compressor, Alesis NanoCompressor, maybe something by Eventide?), some of which might be a solution if you really need to run in stereo. But I'm not completely sure if they'd all have flexible enough parameters to be able to create a fast "pump"...
Or you could try the EHX Super Pulsar (it's basically a really flexible tremolo pedal), again using a reverse ramp shape. Bonus: has tap tempo, and it's stereo!
Another option would be to use a laptop with some sort of software (eg MainStage, Ableton etc), run your Nord's audio into the software and use a plugin compressor. A bit of a pain to set up but probably the most flexible (you could control the side chain with almost anything, an internal metronome, external audio such as a kick drum, an LFO, etc).
Or..... Buy a keyboard that can do it internally! Yamaha MODX/Montage, Korg Kronos/Krome, Roland JDXA/JDXi I believe can all do it (usually by routing a kick drum sound played by the keyboard to the onboard compressor, and muting the kick drum sound).
Too much information?! I've been trying to do this for a while, and spent far too much time researching the best way to accomplish sidechain ducking live, as it's quickly becoming an essential sound to recreate for function band keyboardists.
Hope this helps!
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