Nord User Forum

[Tasten-Bert]

Ah, I see the term may be an issue:
"Toggle" means quickly pressing the button or pedal to switch between two states — i.e. press and release the pedal once to switch from slow to fast, and once again to switch back to slow.
The opposite is a "momentary" switch - like a sustain pedal - where pressing it activates a different state than releasing it.

Momentary function (sustain) is fine. It’s the toggling that is messed up and unreliable.

("Somewhen" is not an English word, but I like it! Equivalents might be "at some point" - irgendwann - or "occasionally" - gelegentlich.)

[Tasten-Bert]

I was just about to correct it myself to Sustain Hold. I knew the difference before, it was just a second too little of concentration.

[Kaffimusic]

I just checked my pedals with the MIDI monitoring of a PC3. Pressed them countless times. Always just one clearly defined signal. Press ON and release OFF. Nothing else, no flickering.

[maxpiano]

Maybe it was already asked, but just in case: have you checked the "type" setting of the Sustain pedal? Because if you set it as Triple it may still work with an on/off pedal (as Sustain) but may do those tricky things as Rotary. Other check: if you use the same pedal in the Rotary socket, does it work properly?

[baekgaard]

I just checked my pedals with the MIDI monitoring of a PC3. Pressed them countless times. Always just one clearly defined signal. Press ON and release OFF. Nothing else, no flickering.

You need to use a computer for this. Even if you get a series of MIDI messages in a row, the light will only come on once on the other keyboard as it typically blinks for some 100ms and any new messages in the same period will not be visible as a blink.

Connect your pedal to the NS3, connect the NS3 to a computer via USB or MIDI and start a MIDI monitor program. Then press the pedal and see what you get. Repeat pressing the pedal, hold it for 2 seconds, release it, wait 2 seconds and repeat - then no timestamp should be less than 2 seconds from the previous.

You need to be able to see the individual messages and their timestamp.

If you only see one clear sustain on and one clear sustain off with 2 seconds between the pedal is working. If you have rotor toggle on in the same program, keep going until the NS3 misbehaves and check to see MIDI messages at that time in the MIDI monitor.



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[baekgaard]

Maybe it was already asked, but just in case: have you checked the "type" setting of the Sustain pedal? Because if you set it as Triple it may still work with an on/off pedal (as Sustain) but may do those tricky things as Rotary. Other check: if you use the same pedal in the Rotary socket, does it work properly?

Good point! Even if detected correctly you could consider setting it manually to the correct type.

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[CountFosco]

Maybe it was already asked, but just in case: have you checked the "type" setting of the Sustain pedal? Because if you set it as Triple it may still work with an on/off pedal (as Sustain) but may do those tricky things as Rotary. Other check: if you use the same pedal in the Rotary socket, does it work properly?

My experience with this problem seems to indicate that it's pedal dependent.
- I have 3 identical pedals (Nord sustain) at 3 different rehearsal venues
- I take the same keyboard to each venue (an E5)
. I have the problem with only 2 of the pedals
- I can't reproduce it on the third pedal (which is the one right next to me now unfortunately)
- I use the pedals in the sustain socket and the setting in my E5 is correct
- With the dodgy pedals, I press and release the sustain pedal and the rotor speed sometimes doesn't toggle - but during that action I see the rotary speed briefly flicker to the other state
- It doesn't seem to be a function of the amount of deflection I apply
- It seems to be a function of the speed (or decisiveness?) of my depression action
- For this reason, my feeling is that it is a problem of signal noise or multiple switch signals at the moment of switching, and the hysteresis or delay setting used by the Nord to handle this signal is insufficient to ignore the noise.
- It could well be that other keyboards use different hysteresis or delay and can better handle this noise

[baekgaard]

Maybe it was already asked, but just in case: have you checked the "type" setting of the Sustain pedal? Because if you set it as Triple it may still work with an on/off pedal (as Sustain) but may do those tricky things as Rotary. Other check: if you use the same pedal in the Rotary socket, does it work properly?

My experience with this problem seems to indicate that it's pedal dependent.
- I have 3 identical pedals (Nord sustain) at 3 different rehearsal venues
- I take the same keyboard to each venue (an E5)
. I have the problem with only 2 of the pedals
- I can't reproduce it on the third pedal (which is the one right next to me now unfortunately)
- I use the pedals in the sustain socket and the setting in my E5 is correct
- With the dodgy pedals, I press and release the sustain pedal and the rotor speed sometimes doesn't toggle - but during that action I see the rotary speed briefly flicker to the other state
- It doesn't seem to be a function of the amount of deflection I apply
- It seems to be a function of the speed (or decisiveness?) of my depression action
- For this reason, my feeling is that it is a problem of signal noise at the moment of switching, and the hysteresis setting used by the Nord to handle this signal is insufficient to ignore the noise.
- It could well be that other keyboards using different hysteresis and can better handle this noise

Yes it is very likely pedal dependent - what you call noise is technically contact bounce. And yes, quick press and releases will likely make this worse.

Hence the multiple suggestions above to try another/new pedal.

maxpiano's suggestion is to rule out that eg a cable problem causing a partial short or disconnect cause it to be seen as a triple pedal where the signal is read differently.

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[CountFosco]

what you call noise is technically contact bounce. And yes, quick press and releases will likely make this worse.

Right, I had cross post edited to include time delay as well as hysteresis after reviewing my answer. Are you hinting that my detailed description of this problem, the first in this thread, wasn't required? Okey dokey, all yours.

[maxpiano]

Maybe it was already asked, but just in case: have you checked the "type" setting of the Sustain pedal? Because if you set it as Triple it may still work with an on/off pedal (as Sustain) but may do those tricky things as Rotary. Other check: if you use the same pedal in the Rotary socket, does it work properly?

My experience with this problem seems to indicate that it's pedal dependent.
- I have 3 identical pedals (Nord sustain) at 3 different rehearsal venues
- I take the same keyboard to each venue (an E5)
. I have the problem with only 2 of the pedals
- I can't reproduce it on the third pedal (which is the one right next to me now unfortunately)
- I use the pedals in the sustain socket and the setting in my E5 is correct
- With the dodgy pedals, I press and release the sustain pedal and the rotor speed sometimes doesn't toggle - but during that action I see the rotary speed briefly flicker to the other state
- It doesn't seem to be a function of the amount of deflection I apply
- It seems to be a function of the speed (or decisiveness?) of my depression action
- For this reason, my feeling is that it is a problem of signal noise or multiple switch signals at the moment of switching, and the hysteresis or delay setting used by the Nord to handle this signal is insufficient to ignore the noise.
- It could well be that other keyboards use different hysteresis or delay and can better handle this noise

I am not excluding it can be due to a faulty pedal switch, as you suggest; my suggestion is to do those 2 further checks just to exclude any other possibility (wrong pedal type setting, bad coupling of that pedal jack with that Sustain input, faulty Sustain input,...)