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Re: NS3 update 2.12

Postby westharp » 27 Apr 2019, 10:23

The changes in the UI from the past OS updates are reflected in these panel changes. Hopefully there are no other changes in this Rev B version of the NS3...
My panel ist version 2.0.1 - without Dyno labels.
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Re: NS3 update 2.12

Postby RichardG » 27 Apr 2019, 11:53

Wouldn't it be nice to buy/upgrade to a new panel from Clavia ?
I mean, the early adopters are the ones that mostly iron out the teething problems but are 'left' with an 'outdated' interface...
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Re: NS3 update 2.12

Postby Schorsch » 27 Apr 2019, 12:16

RichardG wrote:Wouldn't it be nice to buy/upgrade to a new panel from Clavia ?
I mean, the early adopters are the ones that mostly iron out the teething problems but are 'left' with an 'outdated' interface...


Well, I would suspect this to require a massive hardware change. The whole top of the Nord Stage would have to be replaced, and probably some of the circuit boards as well since there are additional buttons and LEDs now which need additional internal connectors. That would be a significant portion of work and cost. Still all new functionalities are available from the old UI, it’s just a bit more complicated since not all of them are labeled

But I agree - it would be nice to have that option
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Re: NS3 update 2.12

Postby 23skidoo » 27 Apr 2019, 17:20

"Outdated" doesn't mean "worse"... just different. New isn't always better. Progress isn't always "forward". Enjoy what you have, until they came out with this it was just fine. That hasn't changed.

Also, hardly "early adopters". This keyboard has been out for some time now.
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Re: NS3 update 2.12

Postby Schorsch » 27 Apr 2019, 18:42

AdamStage2 wrote:Why do you say Outdated?The functions are there just the silkscreen on the panel isn't,Its not like its rendering the unit obsolete is it!

Once the muscle memory kicks in and your competent with the various extra functions anyway you'd not even notice the missing Font,for me I wouldn't warrant the cost of changing the panel for the sake of a few letters,Thankfully most of us will get by just fine without them on the panel I would rather the parameter was viewable on the screen anyway.


True for most but not all changes. The Piano type button function is available only on the latest NS3 version, simply because the button does not exist on the others. It's a really helpful function to speed up stepping through the various piano types without scrolling forth and back through all exisiting piano samples to reach the category you are looking for. The other one is the pitch bend range LED which is also a helpful indicator when having changed the pitch bend range.

Is this worth changing the top of the NS3 (in case it would be possible at all) or selling an "old" NS3 and buying a new one? I don't think so, I can live with what I have got when I purchased my NS3 and remember what I got in addition from the various updates, although I would also love to have the new UI which, from my personal point of view, looks like it's beeing operated in a bit more efficient way.


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Re: NS3 update 2.12

Postby 23skidoo » 27 Apr 2019, 18:50

The UI interaction, as best as I can tell, hasn't really changed. yes there are two shortcuts added and a few LEDs to give immediate visual feedback, but those are really somewhat esoteric (once you've set the pitchbend for a program, you rarely change it on the fly while playing) and the type is nice, but honestly, who changes piano types while playing without just using presets, song mode, or the A/B panels? It's a "nice to have" but hardly important in the grand scheme of things. In fact, the only change I really find meaningful is moving the Arp run/stop to the actual arp section, and I'm of two minds about that since the older way was much easier to access while playing live, but the new way is more intuitive (and in line with the Lead UI paradigm). Even the User/Samp LEDs are reflected in the OLED and able to be chosen by the same shift combo on the older panel layout - I don't even know why those were added, honestly. The OSC config reshuffle is pleasant, but with how custom the Synth UI is already, I don't find it significant - it's nice that they removed the shift combo but it's still a unique UI that requires it's own muscle memory to get fluent with compared to the Leads.

So all in all nice changes for people new to Nords with a Stage and/or those who spend more time with it in the studio making lots of patches, but a mixed bag for those playing live and definitely none of the changes are particularly earthshaking nor do they significantly change the fundamental UI flow for patch editing.

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Re: NS3 update 2.12

Postby analogika » 27 Apr 2019, 19:14

Actually, I’ve just spent some time recording and often switched on the fly between grands and uprights. But though I actually did briefly wish for a type button (not knowing that it had been added to newer boards), it wasn’t bothersome to just roll the pot a bit.
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Re: NS3 update 2.12

Postby 23skidoo » 27 Apr 2019, 21:03

Interesting. When I record (which is frequently right now, since I have a project going on), I have all the grands I like on the first row of presets (A1:1-5) and all the uprights on the second (A2:1-5). So it's at most two button presses to get to the exact piano I want. Easier than any kind of knob! But then I tend to build presets for each song specifically and put them in a row, too, as that's just how my brain works.

Still, I repeat my previous question: are these boards pure theory or has anyone seen one in person, i.e. an actual, physical, shipping copy?
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Re: NS3 update 2.12

Postby RichardG » 28 Apr 2019, 11:23

Okaaaayyy, that spawned a lot more reactions than expected ! :shock:

First: it was just a thought. :mrgreen:
Second: I am one of those early adopters, pre-ordered the NS3 as soon as it was announced.
Third: notice the quotes around left and outdated in my original comment, it's not really a problem to me; I've been happy all along !
But having owned the NS1 and NS2 (also as early adopter) I know it can influence the selling price eventually because it's obviously an older board.
Ppl. will want to pay less if they can see that, although my boards are always in prime condition, it's not the latest iteration even from the outside so the price goes down even if it's just as good as the latest version.
So it's something to protect my investment when I'm eventually want to sell it.

I didn't even know there are physical (leds and such) changes made, that makes a 'swap of the panel' a bit more complicated.

So all in all the 'latecomers' (notice the quotes !) have a more up-to-date machine than the ones who bought an unseen and unheard board and had to deal with the bugs and have proposed (physical) updates that they don't have.
I personally don't feel bad about it, just a statement of fact. OTOH I already enjoyed the board long before those same ppl. who eventually where 'charmed' into it. :D
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Re: NS3 update 2.12

Postby 23skidoo » 28 Apr 2019, 17:45

Two comments on that:
1. I don't consider instruments investments. At all. Never have. They're tools. I use them. They get replaced by newer stuff constantly, especially over the timeframes that I own them - if I decide it's staying, it's within the return period. After that, I tend to keep it, unless, for certain reasons, it doesn't click - and that's usually within the first year anyway. So I could care less about improvements somehow making the perceived value of my board lower - digital tech always changes. Vintage will always have an appeal. Instruments are not investments.
2. Considering the fact that these aren't even shipping yet, I'm sure that the significant number of current owners will not be left in the dark. New machines from Nord (and other vendors - you should see the bug list for DSI synths for the first few years after release!) always have bugs for a couple OS versions - it's just the difference between the theoretical world of development and product design and the real world of performance and studio work and creativity unleashed. It's impossible to make perfect digital products the first time unless you use a NASA level (read: expensive and slow) software development process, which nobody in the real world can afford to do for things that are not life-and-death critical. It's the way the world is, and it won't change until we stop using digital tech and go back to a stone age.

I'm glad you're happy with your board, so are we! Don't sweat the changes - they happen to all digital tech - and maybe it's good to stop looking at your gear as investments, as that really robs them of the joy of doing crazy things to them to find the best music! :keyboard2:

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