Nord triple Pedal vs Korg DSH1 or similar

[Iconoclast]

I'm currently using the Korg w/my Stage3. I find it a vast improvement over the included pedal but a little problematic for two reasons.

1. The pedal noise samples play too loud.
2. The pedal plays a little deep in it's travel for me. Half pedal seems to occur just above the full down position. I occasionally leave notes unsustained when I thought I pedaled. I think I could simply adjust my technique over time to compensate for this.

I've never used the Nord triple pedal and of course it's not cheap. I really do not feel that I need the sostenuto and quiet pedal. The whole thing seems over large for me as I gig out a lot and room underneath an X stand for pedals is at a premium.

So, anyone use both and be able to provide a comparison? Does it provide any kind of better playing experience? Is it anywhere worth the $$ and floor-space? Are there any other pedals that have a decent functionality for half damper without setting off full pedal noise at every release?

[baekgaard]

Just checking: I guess you already saw this thread (http://www.norduserforum.com/nord-stage ... 14012.html) which has a lot of good information on the topic and references also other threads.

[Iconoclast]

Thanks for checking: I have read, and even commented, on that thread but it still doesn't address my basic questions.

"So, anyone use both and be able to provide a comparison? Does it provide any kind of better playing experience? Is it anywhere worth the $$ and floor-space? Are there any other pedals that have a decent functionality for half damper without setting off full pedal noise at every release?"

[maxpiano]

The comparison you are asking for makes little sense because the only pedal that works properly ("by design" of the NS sustain input) with half-pedal and pedal noise is the NTP, but I agree it would be better and sell more if it would (should) cost less (and in fact I built a "compatible" one myself by modifying a Fatar VFP3) or if Nord would provide an option for a single half-damper capable Sustain oedal, compatible with NTP.

With regards to playing experience, it is pretty subjective; I have to say that since I changed my NS2 HA88 for an SW73 I am very rarely using it.

[Iconoclast]

The comparison makes perfect sense. It's as simple as, one pedal costs $60 and works OK, the other pedal costs $400. Is it really that much better? --discuss.

In your post you actually never mention if you've used the Nord Triple Pedal, only that you modified a Fatar VFP3.

[maxpiano]

It still think that a comparison between a non-officially-supported pedal that "works somehow" and any of the officially supported ones doesn't make sense, it's my opinion but I don't pretend it is everybody's. I also said that I agree NTP is overpriced, particularly knowing how it is built.

My mod of the VFP makes it compatible with NTP on 3 states out of 5 possible (of damper pedal, 100% compatible with regards to sostenuto and soft); I tried NTP also in a shop and could not detect any practical difference in the behaviour.

Having said that, at home I only use a Triple pedal on my VPC1 and on stage I find the standard on/off sustain pedal more than sufficient.

[Iconoclast]

It still think that a comparison between a non-officially-supported pedal that "works somehow" and any of the officially supported ones doesn't make sense

Thanks for trying to help me, but please don't try to pick apart my question. It's a very simple and valid question.

I also own a Kurzweil Forte and don't use the sustain or volume pedal specifically designed for it because I compared the two and found the Korg and Roland to be superior. If you don't see the equivalency here, please keep it to yourself.

I tried NTP also in a shop and coudl not detect any practical difference in the behaviour.
Having said that, at home I only use a Triple pedal on my VPC1 and on stage I find the standard on/off sustain pedal more than sufficient.

So in your opinion the comparison makes no sense, yet you compared it and went with a different pedal. .

[maxpiano]

I am sorry, we are on a public forum here so expressing opinions and points of view is part of that "public" therefore I won't keep mine for myself...

Then: I didn't say that I compared the NTP with a continuous sustain pedal like the Korg or Roland but with a clone I made which is built based on the knowledge of how NTP works; I have excluded continuous pedals because I know that they are not compatible. Probably we are not understanding each other here because I am making an electrical/technical consideration while you look at it more from a user standpoint: fair enough but still I am warning you that the "playing experience" you ask about (with a continuous pedal such as the one you indicate) will not be accurate compared to the damper of the NTP, for the above technical reasons.

Hope I made my point more clear, I'll stop here and let other forumers hopefully provide you more opinions.

[Jonnie Cache]

It still think that a comparison between a non-officially-supported pedal that "works somehow" and any of the officially supported ones doesn't make sense

Thanks for trying to help me, but please don't try to pick apart my question. It's a very simple and valid question.

I also own a Kurzweil Forte and don't use the sustain or volume pedal specifically designed for it because I compared the two and found the Korg and Roland to be superior. If you don't see the equivalency here, please keep it to yourself.

I tried NTP also in a shop and coudl not detect any practical difference in the behaviour.
Having said that, at home I only use a Triple pedal on my VPC1 and on stage I find the standard on/off sustain pedal more than sufficient.

So in your opinion the comparison makes no sense, yet you compared it and went with a different pedal. .

I understand what you are asking as I think others here do, too. What you are asking for is impossible because the only pedal that truly works is the NTP. While other pedals may generate some pedal noise, the sound and velocity is not controlled correctly and not realistic sounding due to the physical design of the pedal’s electronics. The only way to get the actual sounds as Nord intends is to get the NTP.

I wish Nord would build a single pedal that truly supports half-pedaling. But, their pedal technology is essentially proprietary in the sense that no other pedal is wired the way Nord’s is.

So, the answer to the comparison you are asking for is: DS-1H = makes a single sound only, but not as intended and has no variability to it. NTP = full range of pedal sounds as intended by Nord.

In short:

NTP = works fully
DS-1H = doesn’t work fully

[guentergunter]

I'm currently using the Korg w/my Stage3. I find it a vast improvement over the included pedal but a little problematic for two reasons.

1. The pedal noise samples play too loud.
2. The pedal plays a little deep in it's travel for me. Half pedal seems to occur just above the full down position. I occasionally leave notes unsustained when I thought I pedaled. I think I could simply adjust my technique over time to compensate for this.

I've never used the Nord triple pedal and of course it's not cheap. I really do not feel that I need the sostenuto and quiet pedal. The whole thing seems over large for me as I gig out a lot and room underneath an X stand for pedals is at a premium.

So, anyone use both and be able to provide a comparison? Does it provide any kind of better playing experience? Is it anywhere worth the $$ and floor-space? Are there any other pedals that have a decent functionality for half damper without setting off full pedal noise at every release?

I did some further research based on studies from maxpiano on the original Triple Pedal:

I have been able to produce the appropriate MIDI CC data matching the original Triple Pedal: See thread

With these values, the problem of a too loud sounding "pedal noise" feature is gone at least for me

By the way: Half-damping seems not to work with my solution. Anyone an idea?