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Re: Nord Stage 3 - hammond B3 Sound

Postby Jo Osantos1 » 15 Jun 2018, 17:55

anotherscott wrote:
analogika wrote:Possibly: “cannot be changed, because they cannot change it without redesigning large parts of the system”?

If they “wanted”, they could change anything and retrofit all existing boards with new hardware. But they don’t “want to”. As it is: It cannot be done.

Right. And if you really want the feature and are willing to pay for the cost of a hardware upgrade, you could route the organ sound out of its own output, put it through an external rotary sim like a Neo Ventilator, and put it through an external Reverb unit, and then you can put them in any order you want and actually get better rotary sim and reverb than what's in the Nord besides!



Man, i am not agaist NORD, ok? But if you check the price of this Board vs other brans that already have this function... make you think, right?
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Re: Nord Stage 3 - hammond B3 Sound

Postby analogika » 15 Jun 2018, 18:09

No, it didn’t make me think.

Keyboards are packages of compromise and trade-off.

In terms of flexibility, the standard for me is a MacBook running Mainstage.

Makes you think, right? Or maybe not, because you realise it’s a different product, with different decisions going into it.
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Re: Nord Stage 3 - hammond B3 Sound

Postby anotherscott » 15 Jun 2018, 18:22

Jo Osantos1 wrote:if you check the price of this Board vs other brans that already have this function... make you think, right?

It's just a design decision. (IIRC, even the older Nord Stage had reverb after rotary?) There are arguments for both setups. I don't know how many boards (at whatever price) let you switch the order, which I guess is what you'd like (otherwise your "improvement" becomes someone else's step backwards). But regardless, "cheaper boards can do x" is never a great argument, because I guarantee you, the cheaper boards also will not do something that the Nord does. You can't look at each more expensive board from every manufacturer as a superset of every cheaper board from every other manufacturer.

But also, here's a simpler/cheaper solution than routing the organ through a separate rotary sim and reverb... you can add an external reverb on the main outs (assuming you don't need different reverb on the organ than you do on your other sounds... which you shouldn't, if you're using the reverb to simulate a "room" for your instrument to be playing in). Also, if you happen to be putting your Nord through a mixer or amp that has reverb in it, you can get your post-rotary reverb that way, too.

It's actually easier to add the reverb you want to the current NS3 setup than it would be to add a pre-rotary reverb to a model that did it the other way. I think Nord's idea was to allow you to be more faithful to the reverb of the Hammonds that had reverb built in (though they don't specifically model a spring reverb). Remember, a post-everything reverb was originally designed to make you think you were in a big room... and when you play a gig, you usually are. ;-) Personally, I tend not to use reverb at my gigs except for special effects, because I don't need reverb to do the job of a room, I can have the room do the job of the room. The only time I usually add it is when I'm playing an outdoor gig. But if you just happen to like the effect, as I said, you can always use a separate external reverb somewhere in your chain.
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Re: Nord Stage 3 - hammond B3 Sound

Postby AlexV922 » 15 Jun 2018, 23:46

Hello everyone. I'm getting a Nord Stage 3 very soon and I'm planning to use all of it's good features. I just want to ask - at the end of the day, after all updates until this point, is the organ bad, or it's still very usable and good despite it's problems ? I've read a lot about the bugs and stuff, I understand what's missing and that there are better organ simulations, but from what I heard in videos and audio files, the organs are still pretty nice. Of course I can't tell for sure without experiencing it myself.
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Re: Nord Stage 3 - hammond B3 Sound

Postby baekgaard » 16 Jun 2018, 00:29

The organs are very capable. They are very similar to the ones in the C2D, as far as I know, and probably almost identical to the ones in the NE6. They are, in my mind, much better than the ones in the NE3, that I also have.

There are also not that many bugs left in the NS3; there are some quirks still and things some would like to see working differently, but Nord has been cranking out updates on a quite steady beat, so there isn't much to worry about, I'd say :-)

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Re: Nord Stage 3 - hammond B3 Sound

Postby anotherscott » 16 Jun 2018, 00:39

AlexV922 wrote:is the organ bad, or it's still very usable and good despite it's problems ? I've read a lot about the bugs and stuff, I understand what's missing and that there are better organ simulations, but from what I heard in videos and audio files, the organs are still pretty nice. Of course I can't tell for sure without experiencing it myself.

It's never been bad. Whether it's okay, good, or great is subjective and also depends on what you're comparing it to.

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Re: Nord Stage 3 - hammond B3 Sound

Postby DanielD71 » 16 Jun 2018, 01:28

I’ve added the tall&fat, vent 2 and space for my organ..., but that is a lot of hardware, and if you crank up the organ volume the vent 2 will clip.

So looking at the mojo 61 YouTube video, and really like the organ sound, Leslie, chorus, etc.
Love my NS3 but the reverb into the Leslie is the only thing I do not like :-)

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analogika wrote:Possibly: “cannot be changed, because they cannot change it without redesigning large parts of the system”?

If they “wanted”, they could change anything and retrofit all existing boards with new hardware. But they don’t “want to”. As it is: It cannot be done.

Right. And if you really want the feature and are willing to pay for the cost of a hardware upgrade, you could route the organ sound out of its own output, put it through an external rotary sim like a Neo Ventilator, and put it through an external Reverb unit, and then you can put them in any order you want and actually get better rotary sim and reverb than what's in the Nord besides!
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Re: Nord Stage 3 - hammond B3 Sound

Postby analogika » 16 Jun 2018, 09:33

AlexV922 wrote:Hello everyone. I'm getting a Nord Stage 3 very soon and I'm planning to use all of it's good features. I just want to ask - at the end of the day, after all updates until this point, is the organ bad, or it's still very usable and good despite it's problems ? I've read a lot about the bugs and stuff, I understand what's missing and that there are better organ simulations, but from what I heard in videos and audio files, the organs are still pretty nice. Of course I can't tell for sure without experiencing it myself.

It’s always been pretty great.

The C3 Chorus and percussion volume were broken at first, so those details weren’t authentic until some time last autumn, and they added a Leslie rotor/horn balance setting a little later so you can set it to sound a little fatter now; that’s it.

As far as I’m concerned, the only thing I’d like changed is to have percussion trigger when you switch it on while holding down keys, and to have it mute the topmost drawbar. But really, those are details I can well live without.
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Re: Nord Stage 3 - hammond B3 Sound

Postby Schorsch » 16 Jun 2018, 09:47

DanielD71 wrote:I’ve added the tall&fat, vent 2 and space for my organ..., but that is a lot of hardware, and if you crank up the organ volume the vent 2 will clip


Hi Daniel, just for curiosity - is this the order you have connected them: NS3->t&f->vent2->space or did you use a different order?
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Re: Nord Stage 3 - hammond B3 Sound

Postby Quai34 » 16 Jun 2018, 10:46

I was thinking to do the same for my C2, at least vent 2, tall and fat later on and any Reverb like the TC Hall of Fame but yes, I was planning to do it in this order:
C2 (No Leslie Sim, no Reverb...), Tall & Fat, Vent 2, Reverb....
I might even try to find a sort or router switcher like guitarists une to switch guitars so, I could switch between the C2 and the Stage to go to the T&F, Vent and Reverb....
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