Nord User Forum

[Mr_-G-]

Not so sure, according to the MIDI specification this is about only *responding* to MIDI data. It says nothing about transmitting it:
https://www.midi.org/specifications/ite ... di-message

Local Control. When Local Control is Off, all devices on a given channel will respond only to data received over MIDI. Played data, etc. will be ignored. Local Control On restores the functions of the normal controllers.
c = 122, v = 0: Local Control Off
c = 122, v = 127: Local Control On

*Note that this is the summary of the MIDI specification.

[baekgaard]

So maybe part of the problem is that the MIDI spec isn't particularly clear, leaving some parts to the imagination of the manufacturers I haven't checked all other synths (just one more in addition to Nord), but it would be interesting to how others interpret this.

The naming sort of lends itself towards controlling the keyboard locally being off, and the question is then what "controlling" means. I the quote above, it says "Played data, etc." and the "etc." part to me indicates that it is not ONLY played data; if it was only played data, then it wouldn't say "etc.".

I guess things like pitch bend and aftertouch would in most cases be treated like the key on/off events, but it's interesting to know how other boards do.

[giomusic]

but all Nords I've tested does not only disable the local connection from the keys to the sound modules, it also does so for the buttons, knobs and dials that sends MIDI.

Yes, that's I said !!

But what I want to know is: why if I (with my setup: iMidipatchbay) assign (IN LOCAL OFF) the Nord sound to the same Nord, all the knobs, the sildes, etc are working ?? And in this case I press a Key, the midi signal goes to iMidipatchbay and than to the Nord Synth.....
What is the difference with the other situation in which I assign the Nord sound to another keyboard ??? Maybe there is something I can't understand, but I can't see any differences: I press a key (from another keyboard, but in local off.....), the midi signal goes to iMidiPatchbay and than to the Nord Synth....

As the knobs, sliders and buttons moved are read by the Nord (I read the changes into the display without sound changes), I think it should be simple to add an option in the MIDI settings asking if the Local OFF will switch ONLY the keyboard or not.

Or maybe there is an incompatibility between iMIDIPatchbay and Nord ????
I used iMIDIPatchbay with no such problems using another Roland, a Yamaha MX...

Anyway Thanks a lot for your answers.

Gio

[Mr_-G-]

One difference is that the other keyboard might not respond to the same MIDI controller (CC) as the Nord might be sending out (if it is sending anything at all, I just do not know). Anotherscott also explained this above.

To check if the CC commands are sent in Local OFF mode, please use a MIDI monitor program. If nothing is sent, then that is how it has been implemented and you can't do anything at all.

If, alternatively, you find that CC bytes are sent out in Local OFF mode, then you need to look in page 52 of the Nord Stage 2 manual (I am assuming that the NS2 is your controller) and also check the manual of the *receiving* keyboard for the MIDI CC assignments.

Are they the same number for the same functions? If yes, then it should work if not, it won't and you will have to see if the receiving kbd can remap the CC numbers (in the Nord they are fixed) or try some software to remap those.

Please understand that the MIDI CC are not necessarily compatible across models or brands. Maybe the sustain (64), master level (7) and some others do coincide, the rest perhaps not.

[anotherscott]

Gio, I'm still not sure I understand the problem. What do you mean when you say, "What is the difference with the other situation in which I assign the Nord sound to another keyboard ???" Are you talking about playing Nord sounds from another keyboard, via iMidiPatchbay?

Or maybe there is an incompatibility between iMIDIPatchbay and Nord ????

If you suspect that iMidiPatchbay may be what is preventing your Nord buttons/knobs from having an effect on some other board (that IS the problem, right?), then try taking iMidiPatchbay out of the equation. Just connect MIDI Out from the Nord directly into MIDI In of the other board and see if it does what you expect. (I doubt it's an iMidiPatcbay issue, but this can confirm.)

[giomusic]

Gio, I'm still not sure I understand the problem. What do you mean when you say, "What is the difference with the other situation in which I assign the Nord sound to another keyboard ???" Are you talking about playing Nord sounds from another keyboard, via iMidiPatchbay?

Yes anotherscott, I use iMIDIPatchbay because it can assign a sound of one keyboard to another keyboard, also in split mode and in layer mode and with another sound from the second keyboard....... So it's very flexible for every situation.

So I mean.... if both the keyboards are in LOCAL OFF (so for both of them the keyboard and the all other parameters are OFF from panel), why I can change the sound if I assign a Nord sound to the same Nord, while it doesn't work if I assigna the Nord sound to the other keyboard ?

I assume that the Nord (in LOCAL OFF) RECEIVE the MIDI input (the note pressed on the keyboard). So receiving the key pressed (velocity, etc) it can OUTPUT the sound. And in OUTPUT should change the parameters of the sound.... BUT ..... I don't want to bore you with my problems.....

I think who says the manufactors doesn't respect all the MIDI standard are right.

If you suspect that iMidiPatchbay may be what is preventing your Nord buttons/knobs from having an effect on some other board (that IS the problem, right?), then try taking iMidiPatchbay out of the equation. Just connect MIDI Out from the Nord directly into MIDI In of the other board and see if it does what you expect. (I doubt it's an iMidiPatcbay issue, but this can confirm.)

Yes, I will make this test and I will let you know.

Thanks a lot to everyone again

Gio

[giomusic]

One difference is that the other keyboard might not respond to the same MIDI controller (CC) as the Nord might be sending out (if it is sending anything at all, I just do not know). Anotherscott also explained this above.

Thanks Mr -G.

I think the other keyboard must send only the MIDI parameters of the note pressed (with velocity) and the NORD (by my iMIDIPatchbay) receives the note datas and play. If I want to change the cutoff.... I think I sould move the Nord Cutoff knob...

So I don't think it's a MIDI CC from the other Keyboard.

Am I right if I say that in LOCAL OFF the Nord works like an Expander ??? If it's so.... it doesn't matter which keyboard I use to play my "expander" Nord. The important thing is the MIDI channel....
As I said... if I use Nord Keyboard I can change the sound (using knobs, buttons....), BUT if I use another keyboard I can read the parameter changing into the display and no changes in the sound...

Gio

[baekgaard]

Not sure I completely follow your posts, but it does indeed sound as if you assume the keyboards use the same MIDI CC messages even if they are of different brands -- which will not work, since they typically use different MIDI CC messages even for the same setting. Just like @anotherscott hinted at.

The Nord will send MIDI CC messages when you turn dials in Local Off mode also, but if you send those to another keyboard, they won't change anything. If you want them to change the settings on the Nord also in Local Off mode, use the iMIDIPatchBay to send those messages back to the Nord.

[giomusic]

So, here I am....

I tried to link the Roland FA 08 to the Nord Stage 3Compact by MIDI cable. And everything was OK. I could change every parameters.....
So I think it's the software iMIDIPatchbay with the NORD creating problem.
Another thing I "discover".... with the iMIDIPatchbay (for who knows the software): configuring the NORD as a MASTER you can see only NORD STAGE 3 OUTPUT.
And you can't play anything on the NORD if you set a program (PC,MSB,LSB) in the Master section. You have to configure the program in the EXTERNAL section, in which you can see NORD STAGE 3 INPUT.
With the other Keyboards (the 2 Roland and the my old Yamaha MX) have not this problem.... I see and use the same voice (for example FA-08) in Master section and in External section.

In conclusion I think there is a particular MIDI format in the NORD that iMIDIPatchbay can't understand.....
I will write to the iMIDIPatchbay developer....

Thanks to everyone for the discussion.

Gio

[maxpiano]

So, here I am....

I tried to link the Roland FA 08 to the Nord Stage 3Compact by MIDI cable. And everything was OK. I could change every parameters.....
So I think it's the software iMIDIPatchbay with the NORD creating problem.
Another thing I "discover".... with the iMIDIPatchbay (for who knows the software): configuring the NORD as a MASTER you can see only NORD STAGE 3 OUTPUT.
And you can't play anything on the NORD if you set a program (PC,MSB,LSB) in the Master section. You have to configure the program in the EXTERNAL section, in which you can see NORD STAGE 3 INPUT.
With the other Keyboards (the 2 Roland and the my old Yamaha MX) have not this problem.... I see and use the same voice (for example FA-08) in Master section and in External section.

In conclusion I think there is a particular MIDI format in the NORD that iMIDIPatchbay can't understand.....
I will write to the iMIDIPatchbay developer....

Thanks to everyone for the discussion.

Gio

Have you checked in

If NS3 is configured as Master in iMPB and it is in Local Off then you need to turn ON the switch of "Zones of Master 1" section for it to "play itself" and you also need to enable the "Forward Control Changes from Master" in the MIDI settings of the "Zones of Master 1".

Have you already tried that?