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[NordMarkus]

Just installed both OS version 1.4 and the new sound manager (1.78).
When trying to download a Bundle I got the following error message.

The bundel you have selected does not match the content version of the connected instrument.
(bundle is V4, instrument is V5).
Make sure you are using the latest version of both Nord sound manager and the instrument OS.

A strange message because I just updated all.
I looks like they changed the bundle version.

I just bought a sound bundle and I'm not able to load it.
Any suggestions??

Same problem here

[anotherscott]

Wow, I think I no longer miss "pending load" mode - this all sounds great! Gonna try it today!

Haha. Nooo.
Its a very crucial feature.

To a large extent, this really does let you do what used to require Pending Load, and think is in some ways better.

Let's say you want to go from sound 13 to sound 44, but not invoke the new sound until th precisely correct time.

So you start on sound 13. On NS2 with Pending Load, you scroll to 44, then at the right time, hit a button to activate the sound. On NS3, we lost this ability, but now--at least based on what it looks like in the video--we should be able to start on sound 13, press the first 4 (which is quicker than navigating there on the NS2), and then when we're ready, we again have a single button (another 4) to activate the sound. This should actually be *faster* than Pending Load, with the notable caveat that it only works within sets of 25 sounds if we assume that hitting the Bank change buttons will change the sound. If that is indeed the case, it would be nice if, when in numeric keypad mode at least, changing banks would not invoke a new sound until selected with the number buttons. (After all, what are the odds that the first sound in the selected bank is actually the sound you want? To say nothing of the first sounds in the interim banks that you'd be scrolling through.)

[AlexNagel]

To a large extent, this really does let you do what used to require Pending Load, and think is in some ways better.

Let's say you want to go from sound 13 to sound 44, but not invoke the new sound until th precisely correct time.

So you start on sound 13. On NS2 with Pending Load, you scroll to 44, then at the right time, hit a button to activate the sound. On NS3, we lost this ability, but now--at least based on what it looks like in the video--we should be able to start on sound 13, press the first 4 (which is quicker than navigating there on the NS2), and then when we're ready, we again have a single button (another 4) to activate the sound. This should actually be *faster* than Pending Load, with the notable caveat that it only works within sets of 25 sounds

These are exactly my thoughts too. And please don't get me wrong: Numeric pad mode greatly enhances the NS3! But there is this little "bug" you also mentioned that would make the NS3 even more versatile:

(...) if we assume that hitting the Bank change buttons will change the sound.

Unfortunately, that's the case. It changes the sound immediately. Which sucks.

If that is indeed the case, it would be nice if, when in numeric keypad mode at least, changing banks would not invoke a new sound until selected with the number buttons.

If NORD hopefully decides to change this (to NOT change to the first sound of the new bank but to wait until the two program numbers are entered), maybe in OS v1.41 the new Numeric Pad mode mode would be a complete substitute for the lost "pending load" mode. It would be possible to easily access ANY sound - even in anther bank - precisely at a certain point of time without interrupting the current sound. Let's pray...

Regards, Alex

Unfortunately,

(After all, what are the odds that the first sound in the selected bank is actually the sound you want? To say nothing of the first sounds in the interim banks that you'd be scrolling through.)[/quote]

[analogika]

I see what you're saying, and I suppose having the Bank switch turn into a sort of pending mode until the patch number is entered is a solution.
However, being able to choose from 25 programs is a pretty decent compromise that should allow you to group together the most frequent seamless requirements (that you don't have in a Song).

So between the ability to choose directly from 25 programs, and Song Mode, I think this will probably accommodate all but a few edge cases.

Also, turning a bank change into "pending" mode would require a display change to show the current bank AND the selected bank — not sure how to solve this or whether the effort is worth it, given the options we now have…

[baekgaard]

What the new numeric mode gives you is quick access to any of 5 pages of 5 programs, within the same bank. So it's probably a bit more like some of you used the old A/B/C/D bank buttons to get quick access to 20 programs, with two keystrokes.

The NS2EX has 4 banks of 20 pages of 5 programs. You can get two-keystroke access to 20 programs, I guess, divided into 4 pages, one in each bank. By using the pending load, you can delay the program change until you hit the program button, so you can "jump" to any location.

The NS3 gives you more banks (A to P, 16 in total), each of 5 pages of 5 programs. There is no pending load, but if you stay within the same bank, you can jump to any of the 25 programs without having any intermediate sounds brought up. The first keystroke, selecting the page, will not change the sound, as anotherscott said. However, it will time out after a couple of seconds, so you cannot press the first button and wait for 5 bars and then press the second button. The best way to do this is to press the two buttons just around the time when you want the sound to change, and synchronize so that the second press happens on your cue.

But compared to the NS2EX, your previous sound will continue in seamless mode and it will not cut out.

So it's not a replacement of seamless mode, but it brings you direct two-keystroke access (without any intermediate sounds) to all 25 programs in a bank.

I think it is a great new feature, and it helps me (at least) to organize my sounds a little better.

[analogika]

So it's not a replacement of seamless mode, but it brings you direct two-keystroke access (without any intermediate sounds) to all 25 programs in a bank.

To clarify my post above, since I believe this "Seamless" bit is a response to mine:

The main use of "pending" mode is to have the next sound available to "instantly" switch — this is what I meant by "seamless". I inadvertently used the term Nord has for its program transitions. I apologise for any confusion.

The biggest thing here, though, is that the new numeric mode actually enables seamless transitions to a far greater number of programs (25 plus live slots plus whatever comes up when you switch to Song mode), whereas having to switch banks on earlier OS versions would break the seamless transition feature.

[baekgaard]

To clarify my post above, since I believe this "Seamless" bit is a response to mine:

Good clarification, thanks -- but in fact, it wasn't a comment to what you wrote. I had written the text before your reply appeared, and apparently the forum crashed, or the guy that delivers the packages on the internet took a break or something, so I had to wait a bit and repost the reply from the browser -- and in the end it then overlapped yours.

The biggest thing here, though, is that the new numeric mode actually enables seamless transitions to a far greater number of programs (25 plus live slots plus whatever comes up when you switch to Song mode), whereas having to switch banks on earlier OS versions would break the seamless transition feature.

Exactly I also see it as a great new feature that brings a lot of the functionality that wasn't there before, although it may take time to get used to for someone that has been very familiar with the older models. It's not a 1:1 match, in some case maybe a bit less and in others it is more.

[pianopop9]

I change programs via external tools (GigPerformer or Set List Maker). No need for me to spin the program dial to find patches. I understand the need.

I now have to reconfigure Set List Maker and GigPerformer (400+ songs) for 4 different acts. I had everything nicely organized into the 8 banks on the NS3. After this upgrade, I may also have to do some reorganization so the banks make sense to me. Crap, this is going to take some time to reprogram and test. I think I will defer this update until I know I have time re-program my show rig and can come up with a plan to migrate.

Anybody else in the same situation? Please post any experience you have re-configuring your show rig.

I'm still using the NS2 and have a very similar setup (using bandhelper instead of set-list maker). How did you handle songs that required 3 different patches/programs? Obviously 2 is doable in A/B, but when I introduce a 3rd it's a nightmare with no seamless changing. Any tips from your days spent with the NS2?

[anotherscott]

I see what you're saying, and I suppose having the Bank switch turn into a sort of pending mode until the patch number is entered is a solution.\

Yes, especially since the sound invoked by hitting a Bank button will almost never be the sound you want to play (unless maybe you specially order your sounds to try to make that work); whereas there is an excellent chance that the sound you're already playing is indeed the sound you want to keep playing until you're ready for the next sound.

Also, turning a bank change into "pending" mode would require a display change to show the current bank AND the selected bank — not sure how to solve this

I would have it show only the newly "pending" bank, but have it flash to indicate it is pending, and it could time out and revert to current bank if you don't complete the operation within some time (more on that below).

it's probably a bit more like some of you used the old A/B/C/D bank buttons to get quick access to 20 programs, with two keystrokes.

Yes.

The first keystroke, selecting the page, will not change the sound, as anotherscott said. However, it will time out after a couple of seconds, so you cannot press the first button and wait for 5 bars and then press the second button.

Bummer! I'm okay with a time out, but I'd be happier with something like 10 seconds.

The biggest thing here, though, is that the new numeric mode actually enables seamless transitions to a far greater number of programs (25 plus live slots plus whatever comes up when you switch to Song mode), whereas having to switch banks on earlier OS versions would break the seamless transition feature.

Are you sure? According to the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwdCUWhPHPU you could scroll through programs and banks and the seamless transition would still work.

[kbrkr]

Ok so I did the 1.40 update and what a fuster cluck trying to remap my programs in MIDI to the new bank structure. I had to program a Lookup table in Excel to map programs to the LSB / Program Number. Instead of numbers running sequentially, they now run A11-A14, and Program numbers 0-4, in multiples of 5 until 100, then you flip the LSB to the next batch and start at 0-100 again for F-J, and so on until you get to Bank P, then flip to LSB 3 for only 25 ( I mean 24) programs.

In English, what this means is; you can't just look at the display and see O13 and then set your LSB to 6 and program number to 12; you now have to set your LSB to 2 and your program number to 102 ????

Yikes!!!