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[megahertz]

All my incoming MIDI song select operations are broken after a recent OS update. I was successfully using the method stated in the latest manual to select a song (i.e. Bank MSB = 1, Bank LSB = 0-3, Program change = 0-99). This no longer works. Can you please explain what the new correct method is.

Also, the latest OS update states that both song and song parts can be selected via incoming MIDI program change but no documentation is provided. Would like to know how to do this.

Thanks.

. M

[jokeyus]

Hi Megahertz,
I have the same problem: Songs selecting via MIDI doesn't work with 1.52.
I am going back to 1.46 an it work again.
Obviously this is a bug.

I have already reportet this to the Nord-Support.

Best regards,

Johannes

[srcohiba11]

so glad I haven't updated from 1.46 ... this would be a nightmare for me as I have weekend gigs through the end of the year. Thanks for the warning.

[Schorsch]

Yeah, never change a running system unless you have time enough to deal with all potential problems ....

[Casey]

Had the same problem with the last update. I think it’s not a bug but no documentation about the change they made
They shifted the programs in a diffrent order so that you can point to a specific preset in a song.
I had to change all my midi presets in setlistmaker
Song 1.01 preset 1: MSB-02 LSB-01 PC-01
Song 1.02 preset 1: MSB-02 LSB-01 PC-06
Song 1.03 preset 1: MSB-02 LSB-01 PC-11
Song 1.04 preset 1: MSB-02 LSB-01 PC-16
Song 1.15 preset 2: MSB-02 LSB-01 PC-72
After 1.25 lsb=2
Song 1.26 preset 1: MSB-02 LSB-02 PC-01

[baekgaard]

Hm... The way it should work (I think) is as follows. To change to another program/song (part)/live program, send the commands:

MIDI "Bank Select MSB" N (For channel 1 the bytes 176, 0, N or hex 0xb0, 0x0, N -- really MIDI CC 0 N)
MIDI "Bank Select LSB" B (For channel 1 the bytes 176, 32, B or hex 0xb0, 0x20, B -- really MIDI CC 32 N)
MIDI "Program Change" P (For channel 1 the bytes 192, P, or hex 0xc0, P)

where N is 0 for normal programs, 1 for song mode, and 6 for live mode.

B is then the bank number (between 0 and 3/15/0 respectively for normal programs, song mode, and live mode).

P is the program number (from 1 up to 125).

The song part is selected via the P value; song 1:01 first part would be P=1, and the second part P=2, etc. Similarly song 1:02 is P=6 for part 1 and P=10 for the last part. The LSB increments 1 for every 25 songs, so (MSB, LSB, P) = (1, 0, 1) is song 1:01 part 1 and (1, 1, 1) is song 1:26 part 1.

If your SW counts from 1 and not 0, the numbers above may be one off

[Casey]

Baekgaard
This is working for me and without documentation its all a guess

[Casey]

Baekgaard

This is the comment in the last update

MIDI Prog Change is now used to enter Song mode and to select Song parts
The previous specification, using MIDI CC messages, is still supported

Any idea what they mean with “The previous specification, using MIDI CC messages, is still supported”
I had to change all my presets, a lot off work just before a gig (indeed I forgot to test it first)

[baekgaard]

I just used a MIDI monitor and some Python code to send commands to the NS3... So it works currently as I stated. I think it is also how it should work.

Yours is almost similar mine if the SW you use counts from 1 and not 0. Nord counts from 0 as well (live mode is really 6 on the wire).

And no, I don't understand the 'previous' comment either.

[Casey]

Thanks for your research, I had to do it with trail and error on stage.
I think you are completely right with this implementation, but it would be nice that Nord gave us some more explanation