Help with choosing an additional synthesizer for NS4

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Re: Help with choosing an additional synthesizer for NS4

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Alexandr74 wrote:What effect pedals will go well with this synth? I think you should have at least a reverb and a delay. Is this pedal a good GFI System Specular Tempus Reverb & Delay? It doesn't have a very big price.
The Pro3 has a dual digital effects unit on board (see its specs on Sequential web site):

DIGITAL EFFECTS
Dual digital effects
Stereo delay, BBD delay, chorus, flanger, phaser, ring mod, vintage rotating speaker, distortion, high-pass filter, super plate reverb


you should not need more, at least to start.
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Re: Help with choosing an additional synthesizer for NS4

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Alexandr74 wrote:Hello! As it was explained to me, Pro 3 has 4 user banks. Each has 128 presets. You can only create presets in these banks in the desired order and flip through them with the rotary knob. And the 4 buttons under the screen do not allow you to assign a quick set of presets to them. It's inconvenient. But you can get used to it. In your Prophet X it is organized perfectly. I have read about problems with temperature more than once. They say that you should make 5-10 calibrations and then the synth will remember them and will be less upset. So it's not a global problem, and maybe this problem will not occur. What effect pedals will go well with this synth? I think you should have at least a reverb and a delay. Is this pedal a good GFI System Specular Tempus Reverb & Delay? It doesn't have a very big price.
It does seem that Pro3 has a play list mode as well, when I googled it some references came up. So maybe there is a play list button on the synth. It may be worth checking. I agree the method you describe is not good, the Rev2 is like that as well. Technically the Prophet X is also like this unless you use play list mode, one knob for bank and one for program. But in a play list it is simple.

I understand what you mean about the temperature now. This is not a problem, it is just a procedure that you run when you power up to let the synth adjust to different environments. If you go to a gig that is very different from your home for example, you would just run the tuning routine when you power up, and then it will store that temperature. Unless there are sudden temperature shifts in the middle of your gig I do not see any potential problems in any way and even then the tuning routine should take only seconds. In fact when I had the Take5 I never ran it a single time and it was always in tune.

I have not owned the Specular Tempus but I have owned some other GFI pedals (now discontinued,) Specular Reverb3 and Clockwork Delay2. These were both excellent and the Specular Tempus uses these sounds plus more. The sound quality was very high, definitely much better than the delays and reverbs in the Sequential synths. One thing to keep in mind, the Specular Tempus requires you to connect to a computer for full parameter editing. You can only change 4 parameters for each effect on the pedal itself but there are sometimes up to 8 on the computer app. Of course you can then save these as presets after though.

It would be hard to recommend other pedals because I do not know what is easily available in Russia and also I am sure prices on some are much higher. For example I like many pedals from Strymon and Meris. The Universal Audio pedals are simple (only one preset) but they sound excellent. All of these work well with synth / line level audio. GFI should as well (the old pedals I owned did.) Maybe something cheaper could be the new Line 6 DL4 MKII. It has delay and reverb. In the USA at least it is often on sale but this may not be the case elsewhere. I have not owned this one though.
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Re: Help with choosing an additional synthesizer for NS4

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maxpiano wrote:
Alexandr74 wrote:What effect pedals will go well with this synth? I think you should have at least a reverb and a delay. Is this pedal a good GFI System Specular Tempus Reverb & Delay? It doesn't have a very big price.
The Pro3 has a dual digital effects unit on board (see its specs on Sequential web site):

DIGITAL EFFECTS
Dual digital effects
Stereo delay, BBD delay, chorus, flanger, phaser, ring mod, vintage rotating speaker, distortion, high-pass filter, super plate reverb


you should not need more, at least to start.
Thanks, yes I've heard the Pro3 has good effects. Take5's effects are being criticized
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Re: Help with choosing an additional synthesizer for NS4

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tsss27 wrote:
Alexandr74 wrote:Hello! As it was explained to me, Pro 3 has 4 user banks. Each has 128 presets. You can only create presets in these banks in the desired order and flip through them with the rotary knob. And the 4 buttons under the screen do not allow you to assign a quick set of presets to them. It's inconvenient. But you can get used to it. In your Prophet X it is organized perfectly. I have read about problems with temperature more than once. They say that you should make 5-10 calibrations and then the synth will remember them and will be less upset. So it's not a global problem, and maybe this problem will not occur. What effect pedals will go well with this synth? I think you should have at least a reverb and a delay. Is this pedal a good GFI System Specular Tempus Reverb & Delay? It doesn't have a very big price.
It does seem that Pro3 has a play list mode as well, when I googled it some references came up. So maybe there is a play list button on the synth. It may be worth checking. I agree the method you describe is not good, the Rev2 is like that as well. Technically the Prophet X is also like this unless you use play list mode, one knob for bank and one for program. But in a play list it is simple.

I understand what you mean about the temperature now. This is not a problem, it is just a procedure that you run when you power up to let the synth adjust to different environments. If you go to a gig that is very different from your home for example, you would just run the tuning routine when you power up, and then it will store that temperature. Unless there are sudden temperature shifts in the middle of your gig I do not see any potential problems in any way and even then the tuning routine should take only seconds. In fact when I had the Take5 I never ran it a single time and it was always in tune.

I have not owned the Specular Tempus but I have owned some other GFI pedals (now discontinued,) Specular Reverb3 and Clockwork Delay2. These were both excellent and the Specular Tempus uses these sounds plus more. The sound quality was very high, definitely much better than the delays and reverbs in the Sequential synths. One thing to keep in mind, the Specular Tempus requires you to connect to a computer for full parameter editing. You can only change 4 parameters for each effect on the pedal itself but there are sometimes up to 8 on the computer app. Of course you can then save these as presets after though.

It would be hard to recommend other pedals because I do not know what is easily available in Russia and also I am sure prices on some are much higher. For example I like many pedals from Strymon and Meris. The Universal Audio pedals are simple (only one preset) but they sound excellent. All of these work well with synth / line level audio. GFI should as well (the old pedals I owned did.) Maybe something cheaper could be the new Line 6 DL4 MKII. It has delay and reverb. In the USA at least it is often on sale but this may not be the case elsewhere. I have not owned this one though.
Thank you, you always answer me very thoroughly) Yes, I will look into the issue with quick access to presets in Pro3 in detail. The effects pedals we have are very expensive and hard to find. The Gfi system Specular tempus is something you can really buy and it doesn't cost very much. Thanks for the recommendations! I can't choose a synth yet. It's a very painful process) Thank you very much to you and this forum. I got a lot of useful information. Very kind and helpful people here!
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Re: Help with choosing an additional synthesizer for NS4

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Find a Prophet 12 used, you have the wave table, all analog signal path, eco but it means voc digitally controlled and the modulation matrix is huge. It was best synth he preferred before he released the new prophet 5 said Dave Smith and I can see why.

I bought mine 2300 can$ in 2015 so 1700 us$, in a store so 3 months warrNty.... Or find a cheap one oberheim Matrix 1000, 600 us$, I got one at 450 in 2012 and second ar550 few years later. And there is cheap controller you can use to program them, the sound is super super old vintage analog even more rhan my Dsi P08
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Re: Help with choosing an additional synthesizer for NS4

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Quai34 wrote:Find a Prophet 12 used, you have the wave table, all analog signal path, eco but it means voc digitally controlled and the modulation matrix is huge. It was best synth he preferred before he released the new prophet 5 said Dave Smith and I can see why.

I bought mine 2300 can$ in 2015 so 1700 us$, in a store so 3 months warrNty.... Or find a cheap one oberheim Matrix 1000, 600 us$, I got one at 450 in 2012 and second ar550 few years later. And there is cheap controller you can use to program them, the sound is super super old vintage analog even more rhan my Dsi P08
Thank you. I have already written that in my country it is very difficult to buy any musical instrument nowadays. And if it is possible, the price is always too high. Oberheim Matrix 1000 sells for 1500 dollars) Prophet 12 nobody sells. We have almost empty market of used synthesizers now. People aren't selling anything.
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