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Re: Footswitch: Rotary Toggle or Latch, but not both?

Postby reggoboy » 10 Oct 2021, 23:17

FZiegler wrote:On the Stage 3, you have the KB-Hold button for the synth engine.


Aha, interesting. I guess that button can't be pedal activated, but it still might be useful for some applications.

FZiegler wrote: Or the triple pedal.


I'm reading the NS-3 manual, and it seems to suggest the triple pedal is only useful for the Piano engine. Discussion of latching seems to be completely removed from the NS-3 manual (vs the NS-2). Does the triple pedal's sostenuto pedal providing latching functionality to the NS-3's Synth and Organ engines the way the NS-2's Latch pedal does?

(Part of the reason I ask is because even though I have an NS-2, I'm hoping an NS-3 (or NS-4) will be in my future when gigs start bringing in more money :-) )
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Re: Footswitch: Rotary Toggle or Latch, but not both?

Postby cgrafx » 11 Oct 2021, 02:25

Sostenuto was discussed in another recent thread. I believe the consensus was it works for piano and synth but not for the organ.
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Re: Footswitch: Rotary Toggle or Latch, but not both?

Postby reggoboy » 11 Oct 2021, 06:00

cgrafx wrote:Sostenuto was discussed in another recent thread. I believe the consensus was it works for piano and synth but not for the organ.


So if I’m understanding correctly, moving from NS2 to NS3 would result in a feature regression of losing any way to have a latch/sostenuto function for organ.

That’s too bad.
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Re: Footswitch: Rotary Toggle or Latch, but not both?

Postby maxpiano » 11 Oct 2021, 09:03

Hlaalu wrote:
maxpiano wrote:That's true on the NS3, but on the NS2 which the OP has (according to its profile at least) the latch/sostenuto is available on Organ too hand also the KeybGate) so using the triple pedal sostenuto central) pedal is the solution to go for in that case.


@maxpiano I'm re-reading this post now and I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. When you say on the NS2 the latch/sostenuto is available for organ too, do you mean that there is a feature for which only notes that have already been pressed down when the (latch?) pedal is engaged keep sustaining - as long as the pedal is being kept down as well?

Because the KB Hold feature, also mentioned by FZiegler and available on the synth engine of the NS3, it seems to me it does something quite different. It sustains the last note(s) played period, which isn't the same as the sostenuto. The sostenuto lets you select which note (or notes) you want to sustain while other notes aren't, even when hit, but it requires you to keep your foot busy for this to work.

That's why I asked the OP to be more specific in what he wants to achieve, because we might be saying certain things are or aren't possible and be mistaken about that depending on the way each one of us choose to approximate the sostenuto/sustain/latch feature for each keyboard/pedal configuration...

By the way: I'm not sure I get how the rotary toggle switch issue the OP mentioned fits into all this, but on the NS3 the rotary input exists separately from any sustain/triple pedal, so there is definitely a way not to override each feature. I myself have a triple pedal and use the regular sustain pedal that came with the NS3 for the rotor toggle.


I mean that the Organ section on NS2 has the same Latch/KeybGate capability as the NS2 Synth, just that, so you can actually "latch" the Organ too while on NS3 I read that this is no longer supported.

Then, in general (both on NS2 and 3) to engage the latch you can either use a footswitch (momentary or on/off) connected to the Rotary/Latch input or the Sostenuto pedal of the Triple, in this latter case or if you use a momentary then of course you need to keep it pressed while latching (yes, as in a real piano).

PS: the KB Hold is present on NS2 synth too, btw.
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Re: Footswitch: Rotary Toggle or Latch, but not both?

Postby Klondyke77 » 11 Oct 2021, 09:32

Hi all,

I read the whole thread now and hope to understand the needs.
1) To toggle Rotor speed you can use Jack "Rotor Pedal" with a dedicated foot pedal/switch (any pedal with a momentary switch will work).
2) "Sostenuto":
a)The Sostenuto (Middle pedal) function is only available on Piano and Synth engine (not Organ)
b)to achive this function you need either Nord Triple Pedal or trigger via Midi (CC66). There is no dedicated jack for this unfortunately.
But: Organ engine supports "Sustain" (activate SUSTPED). So you can hold an organ sound with Sustain pedal if you desire. You may need to deactivate SUSTPED on other engines. Suggestion: save the actual program to a new location and change the SUSTPED settings there as desired. Then switch between those two programs (e.g. via Song Mode, oder toogle programs via another foot switch).
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Re: Footswitch: Rotary Toggle or Latch, but not both?

Postby maxpiano » 11 Oct 2021, 13:08

Klondyke77 wrote: a)The Sostenuto (Middle pedal) function is only available on Piano and Synth engine (not Organ)
b)to achive this function you need either Nord Triple Pedal or trigger via Midi (CC66). There is no dedicated jack for this unfortunately.
But: Organ engine supports "Sustain" (activate SUSTPED). So you can hold an organ sound with Sustain pedal if you desire. You may need to deactivate SUSTPED on other engines. Suggestion: save the actual program to a new location and change the SUSTPED settings there as desired. Then switch between those two programs (e.g. via Song Mode, oder toogle programs via another foot switch).


Once again: what you write is true for NS3 but not for NS2, where also Organ does have Latch function (see NS2 Organ panel and/or NS2 manual) which can be associated to the Sostenuto pedal and/or the Rotor/Latch input and the OP has and is asking about a NS2, so...
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Re: Footswitch: Rotary Toggle or Latch, but not both?

Postby reggoboy » 11 Oct 2021, 14:10

Thanks everyone!

Just a few reminders.

1) I have an NS2. While I’m interested in knowing how the NS3 differs, only what I can do on the NS2 will be current solutions to me.

2) I’m not talking at all about Sustain. Only Latch (aka Sostenuto). I like the feature of laying down a few notes that keep playing while I play subsequent notes on the same instrument that are not sustained. And I like the freedom to use it with whatever engine I want.

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Re: Footswitch: Rotary Toggle or Latch, but not both?

Postby reggoboy » 11 Oct 2021, 14:18

Hlaalu wrote:On the NS3, a possible way to achieve some sort of sostenuto outcome for the organ would be to split two panels in both of which the organ engine is active, but then activating the sustain function only for one of them. In this case, you don't need the triple pedal. Any sustain pedal will work.


I see your point, thanks. This may get the job done when I upgrade to NS3. It’s a compromise, tho, because i won’t have the ability to sustain my lead line independently. When you have separate sostenuto and sustain pedals, you have more musical control.
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Re: Footswitch: Rotary Toggle or Latch, but not both?

Postby Klondyke77 » 11 Oct 2021, 18:07

maxpiano wrote:
Klondyke77 wrote:Once again: what you write is true for NS3 but not for NS2, where also Organ does have Latch function (see NS2 Organ panel and/or NS2 manual) which can be associated to the Sostenuto pedal and/or the Rotor/Latch input and the OP has and is asking about a NS2, so...


Sorry, I didn't get that the question was about NS2. NS3 is my first Nord.. :roll:
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Re: Footswitch: Rotary Toggle or Latch, but not both?

Postby maxpiano » 11 Oct 2021, 18:58

Klondyke77 wrote:
maxpiano wrote:
Klondyke77 wrote:Once again: what you write is true for NS3 but not for NS2, where also Organ does have Latch function (see NS2 Organ panel and/or NS2 manual) which can be associated to the Sostenuto pedal and/or the Rotor/Latch input and the OP has and is asking about a NS2, so...


Sorry, I didn't get that the question was about NS2. NS3 is my first Nord.. :roll:


No worries! Just better to avoid confusion :thumbup: (and now you also know about this difference between the 2 models, not the only one of course but relevant for this discussion ;) )
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