I have been trying to connect my Nord Stage 3 to a Roland Integra 7 sound module.
I have been using MIDI and I am able to get channel 1 on the INtegra 7 responding.
How do I get the keyboard to access the other channels?
Any help I would be grateful
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Re: Connect to Roland Integra 7
Don't overlook another option: you can set up "Studio Sets" on the Integra-7, with up to 16 parts in each Studio Set, and each of those 16 parts can have its own separate keyboard range, separate octave shift, and even a separate transposition by half-steps. So you do not need to send anything but MIDI channel 1 from your Nord Stage, in order to get separate parts to play in response to pressing keys within different ranges of your keyboard.
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Re: Connect to Roland Integra 7
TonyB06 wrote:I have been trying to connect my Nord Stage 3 to a Roland Integra 7 sound module.
I have been using MIDI and I am able to get channel 1 on the INtegra 7 responding.
How do I get the keyboard to access the other channels?
Any help I would be grateful
All 16 channels on Integra can be set to CH 1 if needed.
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Re: Connect to Roland Integra 7
In addition to the info above, remember that each panel of the Nord has an EXT function specifically for the purpose of controlling external MIDI devices, and they can be set for different channels separately in each Nord program. So you could have one Nord program that transmits on, for example, channels 2 and 3 (split/layered as desired), and another that transmits on 4 and 5. Each Nord program can also send separate definable Program changes over each of those MIDI channels, among other settings you can control.
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Re: Connect to Roland Integra 7
After searching this site for connecting NS3 with Integra-7 it indicates that NS3 cannot utilize the Motional Surround Sounds via the midi-control. Is this still the fact or is it just about tweaking the MIDI-setup?
Anyone able to use NS3 (or NS2 as I assume the midi interface is the same) to control Integra-7 with all these features or is it just impossible without the dedicated buttons on the Roland-midi-controllers?
Anyone able to use NS3 (or NS2 as I assume the midi interface is the same) to control Integra-7 with all these features or is it just impossible without the dedicated buttons on the Roland-midi-controllers?
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Re: Connect to Roland Integra 7
joe_nor wrote:After searching this site for connecting NS3 with Integra-7 it indicates that NS3 cannot utilize the Motional Surround Sounds via the midi-control. Is this still the fact or is it just about tweaking the MIDI-setup?
Anyone able to use NS3 (or NS2 as I assume the midi interface is the same) to control Integra-7 with all these features or is it just impossible without the dedicated buttons on the Roland-midi-controllers?
Nord keyboards don't have any programmable or extra buttons, so you can't access the alternate settings of the supernatural sounds using a Nord keyboard as a controller.
You could add a separate controller with just buttons on it and midi merge the buttons into the MIDI stream, or perhaps you could get a midi processing box to interpret mod wheel levels to mimic the S1/S2 buttons on the Roland controllers.
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Re: Connect to Roland Integra 7
TonyB06 wrote:How do I get the keyboard to access the other channels?
You had to assign each split (in A, B, A+B?) a different MIDI-channel, so different parts of your Nord 3 sends different channel messages, triggering different instruments inside the Integra7.
If that's possible to do or not, I don't know by now.
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Re: Connect to Roland Integra 7
cgrafx wrote:Nord keyboards don't have any programmable or extra buttons, so you can't access the alternate settings of the supernatural sounds using a Nord keyboard as a controller.
You could add a separate controller with just buttons on it and midi merge the buttons into the MIDI stream, or perhaps you could get a midi processing box to interpret mod wheel levels to mimic the S1/S2 buttons on the Roland controllers.
The knob in the EXT section can be programmed to send a specified MIDI CC, so picking up from your idea of using the mod wheel, this knob might be able to mimic one of those buttons... maybe. If it has to be turned all the way to 0 and all the way to 127 to mimic the two states, it might be too awkward for real time use.
Picking up from your idea of a MIDI processing box, though, that (or an iPhone/iPad) could conceivably be used to remap some other button to send the appropriate CC... even "listening" for the button on one channel (the "global" channel) and altering its function and sending it out on a different (EXT) channel to get to the Integra. This could make sense especially if there are some front panel buttons (that send CC) that you actually don't use in your typical other Nord operations.
Within the EXT function itself, there are no available buttons to remap per se, but you can control whether or not certain things are sent out (e.g. sustain pedal, aftertouch) and in theory those could be other sources of something to be remapped to get the Integra function you're after.
So maybe not unworkable?
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Re: Connect to Roland Integra 7
The only effective way to do this would be with an external midi controller mapped to the S1/S2 functions on the Integra. As suggested this could be a very simple box with just a few buttons on it, but there is no way to make the Nord access those additional functions in anyway that would be useful musically. The S1/S2 buttons are designed to be used in a live context, meaning they are not intended to just change a static state, but rather to augment the playing of passages in real-time (things like horn grace notes and falls, guitar harmonics, etc).
I went down this path myself and ended up selling the integra because Nords just aren't designed to be a general purpose midi controller (and my Alesis QS keyboard is also not a suitable controller - no programmable buttons).
I went down this path myself and ended up selling the integra because Nords just aren't designed to be a general purpose midi controller (and my Alesis QS keyboard is also not a suitable controller - no programmable buttons).
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Re: Connect to Roland Integra 7
cgrafx wrote:The S1/S2 buttons are designed to be used in a live context, meaning they are not intended to just change a static state, but rather to augment the playing of passages in real-time (things like horn grace notes and falls, guitar harmonics, etc).
I understand that... that's why I said that useing the EXT's CC knob assignment might be too awkward to use, if you had to actually rotate it all the way between 0 and 127 for a change... and probably even worse now that I remember that that knob itself is a continuous controller so there's no "hard edge" to bump up against (usually an advantage in a programmable synth, but not in this case). But the other idea of using a MIDI processor or iOS device to remap the sustain pedal should work for one of the S buttons (assuming you're playing things like horns and guitars as you describe, where you don't actually need the sustain pedal to do a sustain function anyway), as should remapping any of the myriad of other buttons that send CCs if you can spare one because it's attached to a Nord function you don't happen to care about using.
In short, I agree with you that you need some mappable controls to take advantage of those Integra features, but if you're willing to incorporate any other device that can remap controls, I think you could find controls on the Nord that you could use. If you're *not* willing to remap things, than if you want these articulations, you can only drive the Integra from a board that itself includes some mappable buttons. That said, buttons for alternate articulations like this are not specific to Roland SN... Yamaha and Korg have boards where you use buttons to introduce such alternate articulations as well. They are integral (pardon the pun) to some people's playing, while other people don't use them at all, and I suspect the same is true of folks using Roland's SN acoustic tones.
There are lots of other attributes of SN that don't involve those buttons, e.g. how it interprets things like legato vs staccato playing, the behavior of pitch bends, and I believe things like the intervals between consecutively played notes and whether you're playing monophonically or multiple notes. I'm reminded of something posted by someone over at the musicplayer forum, "My now-gone AX-Synth keytar...had a few SuperNatural voices, including a violin that was almost telepathic -- it could tell the difference between a last-key-priority monophonic trill one moment, and a double-stop the next, something I haven't been able to do (so far) even with Kurzweil VAST."
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