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Re: Initial feedback on Grand

Postby BlueKermit » 06 Jun 2021, 13:43

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Re. samples, "go make your own samples" is not really very helpful but I will check the library, thanks.

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I checked the Nord library and Piano wise it's no different than what comes pre-loaded on a new Stage 3, 2GB and there's no other samples to load into it that i can see. or maybe I've missed a secret piano sample library? :wtf:
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Re: Initial feedback on Grand

Postby FZiegler » 06 Jun 2021, 16:49

Hi BlueKermit,

the quote cited by you was about voice samples - ahs, ohs and uhs. And I'm not sure if you are talking about your Stage 3 or a Grand. But in both cases, I don't think that all existing piano and epiano sounds are preloaded. Even if there is no secret library: only https://www.nordkeyboards.com/sound-lib ... no-library

With 12+3 (historic) grands, 12 uprights, 8 Rhodes, 2 Wurlies & some electric grands, a few digital pianos and layered sounds, 2 harpsichords (french and italian style) + chromatic percussion (mallets).

Plus the few keyboard sounds you will find for the sample synth engine. Which is indeed another library.
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Re: Initial feedback on Grand

Postby mark_m » 16 Jun 2021, 06:58

Check it out if you need to scroll the PROG/MENU with your left hand while playing with your right you, can't see the LED screen.
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Re: Initial feedback on Grand

Postby mark_m » 17 Jun 2021, 03:37

CountFosco wrote:
jk2011 wrote:I think the Nord Grand should be looked at from a different perspective: Ignore the knobs, screen, synth voices, and build quality as I do agree some of the industry big names do it slightly better. Instead, simply think of the NG as a digital piano with excellent piano sounds and keybed feel, for less than half the price of the closest comparable competitor.


Yes, obviously. It's comments like this:

mark_m wrote:But I'm constantly hit by how archaic the interface is... But honestly a digital interface today, I just about expect to be able to say the name of a patch and have it come up, or a set of matches to choose from. There should be a keypad to type the name and have it auto-completing as I type, like searching on my TV or laptop. Scrolling through a linear list seems highly antiquated.


display a complete lack of understanding of the product, which is specuifically designed to be uncomplicated and stage optimised. But here is the root of the OP's problem:

mark_m wrote:I don't have any idea what other keyboards are like... Admittedly I need to study the manual.


No research, and R the F M mate!


My comments are not about comparing the NG to anything else. I'm holding it up against the general state of UI design of the times. In that sense it's archaic. As far as being stage optimized, I'm at a loss at how the points I've brought up lend anything at all to stage optimization:
-Change a patch and the knobs are now all at meaningless places so when you touch one, the setting jumps to who knows where.
-Want to get quickly from the A11 to E50, what do you do other than four quick turns of the knob to get to E11, then spin spin spin 'til you get to E50, while you're mid-song or even between songs and need to get from here to there?
-Try to turn the PROB knob while playing with your right hand, and you can't see the screen to know what you're doing.

Often the best insights into design problems come from people with more of a blank slate as far as how bad all the other interfaces are. If you're a software designer, you need people who don't know anything about the software to test it to see how well it's really working. I don't give a whatever how bad other interfaces are. I also don't think the next comparable piano is twice the price. Kawai certainly holds its own and some prefer it. Not the point really at all. The interface for the NG could be MUCH better. That' my main point. Nothing about any other keyboard.
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Re: Initial feedback on Grand

Postby baekgaard » 17 Jun 2021, 13:45

Hlaalu wrote:
mark_m wrote:Want to get quickly from the A11 to E50, what do you do other than four quick turns of the knob to get to E11, then spin spin spin 'til you get to E50, while you're mid-song or even between songs and need to get from here to there?


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On the Stage ... within the Bank, the numeric pad mode takes care of this and you can instantly select any of the 25 Programs contained in the Bank.


You probably know already, but the Grand and Piano also supports numeric mode in the same way as on the Stage, if you enable it. So you can go to any of the 25 programs within a bank with two key presses.

So to get from A11 to E51 it's 4 quick-dials and then press "5" and "1" (there is no program E50, btw).

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Re: Initial feedback on Grand

Postby CountFosco » 17 Jun 2021, 15:06

OK OK, some good points. Voice controlled program navigation for a stage keyboard probably isn't one, and could have slightly triggered me, but maybe program navigation has gone backwards on recent products.

Hlaalu wrote:I can perhaps understand the somewhat lower range Electro series lacks direct Bank navigation and Song mode

Setlist mode first appeared on the E5, and from what I read here, seems to be the most efficient implementation of a song mode. E6 also has its misbegotten son.

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Re: Initial feedback on Grand

Postby Spider » 17 Jun 2021, 17:49

Hlaalu wrote:I checked the manual of the E6 but couldn't find anything parallel to List/Song mode. How is that called in the E6? By the way in the E5 indeed it seems it was already implemented in a quite functional way. So this means this aspect has really gone backward with the latest boards...


Set list was only present in the Electro 5 and Stage 3, but for unfathomable reasons was not maintained in all successive products (E6, NP4-5, Grand, Wave2...).
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Re: Initial feedback on Grand

Postby CountFosco » 17 Jun 2021, 19:48

Right. It was Scott's comments in this post, trying (helpfully (as always (mostly))) to suggest a workaround, which had stuck in my head. I thought the E6 had a setlist mode which stored actual programs instead of pointers to programs, which was why I took the opportunity to use the phrase "misbegotten son", one of my all time favourites.
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Re: Initial feedback on Grand

Postby mark_m » 17 Jun 2021, 21:45

baekgaard wrote:
Hlaalu wrote:You probably know already, but the Grand and Piano also supports numeric mode in the same way as on the Stage, if you enable it. So you can go to any of the 25 programs within a bank with two key presses.

So to get from A11 to E51 it's 4 quick-dials and then press "5" and "1" (there is no program E50, btw).


Oh yeah I forgot about that weirdness, to accommodate the five pushbuttons. Almost reminds me of programming in hex on a Mirage:) Not that I'd be able to remember all the numbers of every program, but that would help. I don't see that working on mine, if I go to E11 and then hit 5 and 1, it goes from 15 to 11. I'm sure I'm missing something so I'll spend a little more time on that - thanks:)

EDIT: Reading your reply again I see "if you enable it". Cool, thanks:)
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Re: Initial feedback on Grand

Postby baekgaard » 17 Jun 2021, 21:49

mark_m wrote:
baekgaard wrote:
Hlaalu wrote:You probably know already, but the Grand and Piano also supports numeric mode in the same way as on the Stage, if you enable it. So you can go to any of the 25 programs within a bank with two key presses.

So to get from A11 to E51 it's 4 quick-dials and then press "5" and "1" (there is no program E50, btw).


Oh yeah I forgot about that weirdness, to accommodate the five pushbuttons. Almost reminds me of programming in hex on a Mirage:) Not that I'd be able to remember all the numbers of every program, but that would help. I don't see that working on mine, if I go to E11 and then hit 5 and 1, it goes from 15 to 11. I'm sure I'm missing something so I'll spend a little more time on that - thanks:)
It's on page 22 in the manual... System menu, the setting called numpad program select :-)

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