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Re: Action Piano 5 vs Grand

Postby GuiliClayder » 17 Nov 2021, 09:16

sentionaut wrote:Does anyone know if the MP7SE and MP11SE allow users to upload their own sound samples?


Don't think so, afaik...
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Re: Action Piano 5 vs Grand

Postby GuiliClayder » 17 Nov 2021, 16:02

Just stumbled upon this video :
https://youtu.be/ChG05wnkymk?t=59

No question about the quality of the keybed, I'd say. The CP88 is a very strong contender...

Edit : another thing to consider is that over here, the CP88 is sold out everywhere, with projected delivery dates well into the next year. The MP7SE, I can just go and pick up pretty much anywhere. The Piano 5 and Grand are readily available as well.
Tough decision. I'm not interested in synths, or guitars, or flutes, or anything like that (in fact, if anyone asks me to play Jump by Van Halen again, I'm going to explode :facepalm: ). I just need acoustic and electric pianos, and some pads and strings to layer with.
I've also got a Kawai CA58, very happy with that, so maybe I should get a board from that other acoustic piano maker. Best of both worlds. Or just stick with Kawai...
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Re: Action Piano 5 vs Grand

Postby M1tsos » 20 Nov 2021, 19:00

GuiliClayder wrote:@SteveNordP3 : thanks for your reply !

Watched a review of the MP7SE yesterday, and the guy said something interesting on the RHIII ation :
https://youtu.be/-1qtXYIviC4?t=1577

That's very quiet, indeed, and I don't remember it being that way when playing either the MP7SE or the Grand. Maybe I should give them a try again.
Mind you, if the MP7SE turns out to be not quite noisy as I remember it, and if the same goes for the Grand, it would then come down to the fact of pricing : the Grand almost costs 3 times as much as the MP7SE where I live, so I'll have to ask myself whether I'm willing to pay that much more to basically have access to the Nord sound library.
I mean, the MP7SE is a really good stage piano in its own right. It's basically a lighter brother to the MP11SE.
However, if this Kawai is back in the game, then the choice will be even more difficult.

That's not to say that I have written off the Grand or the Piano 5, but I've just made the choice even more difficult for myself...



Hello i own a stage 3 which have noisy and a kind of cheap feeling keybed. I am also interesting on buying grand like you.. but since grand is almost 3 years old i expect a grand 2 soon so i preffer wait before i buy now the nord grand cause still expensive.. i preffer buying a nord grand 2 if it comes at 2022 or a used nord grand if no grand 2 at 2022.. anyway at the end i preffer keep up with what i have for now and wait to see the next nord instrument which comes at 2022.. propably nord stage 3 ex or 4 or a grand 2
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Re: Action Piano 5 vs Grand

Postby GuiliClayder » 21 Nov 2021, 15:14

Considering the Piano 5 vs the CP88 now, but I cannot find more specific information about the key action of the Piano 5.
Some say it uses a combination of spring and hammer technology, other say differently. What kind of action is it ? Is it Fatar ? Is it something else ?
How does it compare to the CP88 ? I know the CP88 has arguably the best action in a stage piano to date (together with the RD-2000).
Kawai's RHIII is very close, but I don't want the Grand.
So, anyone with some detailed and specific about the Piano 5's action, what is it, how it feels for piano ?
I would argue, since the Piano 5 comes with the triple pedal as standard, its focus is undeniably piano and so the action should be top notch !
Haven't been able to find one to play where I live, hence all the questions...
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Re: Action Piano 5 vs Grand

Postby Dave Ferris » 21 Nov 2021, 22:04

Fwiw, with regard to the Nord-- as much as I like dislike any Fatar action in any board, I'd be inclined to go for the NP5 at this time. Simply because it's new and more then likely the action will be the most refined (tight) out of the previous models. I have played the NP4 and instantly noticed it much better then my NP2. Never spent much time on the NP3, except maybe one play at a noisy NAMM with crappy phones. The NP5 is also considerably less expensive then the Nord Grand and like the previous poster said, the NG has been out for some years now and might possibly see a re-fresh sometime next year.

With regard to the CP88-- this is my second one. I bought it again because of the new Hamburg piano but mainly the velocity adjustment update. I've had this second one since Nov. 9 and while it's far from my favorite Yamaha DP, I do like the sound of it (I can't get as excited about the action though) and most probably will keep it until the next updated stage dp is released by them.
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Re: Action Piano 5 vs Grand

Postby GuiliClayder » 22 Nov 2021, 00:37

Thanks @DaveFerris
The thing with the MP7SE is that, while I really like the action, but it would be what it really is, a more portable MP11SE. Loved that last one, in fact regret selling it somewhat, but I can't buy it again since I'm looking for something portable. The MP7SE, while much lighter than its bigger brother, is still not the most portable stage piano around. Neither is the RD2000, absolutely beautiful action but it's a beast and much too big of a DP to be really 'portable'.
I've briefly considered the more 'portable' little brother of the RD2000, the RD-88, but I find it's an odd one. Good solid action, but those 3000 sounds, ZenCore etc... I don't need all that, much too complicated for my use case. Plus the user interface is not ideal.

So I've narrowed it down to the CP88 and the Piano 5, and it's now a matter of trying to get hold of a Piano 5 to try out. Sounds on the Nord seem richer, yes, but I really do like everything about the CP88 as well, action included, which is up there with the likes of Roland's PHA50.
I briefly tried a Piano 4 in the past, and I must admit that I wasn't my favourite at the time, action wise. But the P5 might convince me, who knows, its action's supposed to have been improved.
You know, I've heard so much about Nord pianos that I thought to myself that maybe it's time to get one myself. Purely based on looks, both the CP88 and Piano 5 look inviting, make you want to play them.
I'm intrigued by the Nord, I really am. I just don't know if it's worth the extra 700 euro over the CP88...
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Re: Action Piano 5 vs Grand

Postby EtienneD » 24 Nov 2021, 12:17

Hey everyone, just wanted to weigh in here. I just bought a CP88 last weekend and I'm going to sell my Nord Piano 4. The main reasons were the feel of the NP4 action and also the sounds of the Nord Piano library, which were for my ears to bright and thin. So far, I'm very pleased with both the action and the sounds of the CP88.
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Re: Action Piano 5 vs Grand

Postby GuiliClayder » 24 Nov 2021, 16:25

I must admit, I'm leaning more and more towards the CP88... but then I discovered the Dexibell Vivo S7 Pro. Going to take a closer look.
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Re: Action Piano 5 vs Grand

Postby Dave Ferris » 24 Nov 2021, 21:33

Dexibell seems to be gaining in popularity. I've seen two recent videos of players I know here in town with S7 Pro. I have to say though the piano sound was not very flattering. To give it the benefit of the doubt though it was a smartphone video on FB, so we're not talking very discerning audio of course. But I have heard phone videos where some Yamahas have come off sounding pretty decent.

I'd be sure to play the Dexibell first. They previewed a new piano at NAMM 2018 or 2019 (?) I believe it was it was the same year the new Casios came out and I gave it a cursory playing. My quick impression was it was pretty good ....until I got up in the high register and I instantly wrote it off because a grouping of notes sounded so bad and just plain cheesy. I don't remember the model, maybe the S7 Pro has superseded that model now. Again though just be sure to play it and remember you're still getting the fatar action with the Dexibell.

EtienneD wrote:Hey everyone, just wanted to weigh in here. I just bought a CP88 last weekend and I'm going to sell my Nord Piano 4. The main reasons were the feel of the NP4 action and also the sounds of the Nord Piano library, which were for my ears to bright and thin. So far, I'm very pleased with both the action and the sounds of the CP88.


Yeah you're not alone on the Nord piano sounds. They always sound fantastic recorded and come across sounding out of this world on internet videos but they are extremely hard to tame live unless you have fairly high end speakers. For me even with my RCF TT-08As, most of the time they were harsh and grating.

The CP88 is far from ideal. It certainly isn't an MP11se feel wise. But it does sound good both for home and live and it's not a total beast to move around. It depends on what your usage, context and expectations are. As well as your point of reference.
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