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Re: Why is aftertouch gone in NL4/A1?
If you're playing with only one hand, you can use a mod wheel to add LFO, etc. if you're left hand is busy playing a second keyboard, AT is very handy.
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Re: Why is aftertouch gone in NL4/A1?
Ledbetter wrote:If you're playing with only one hand, you can use a mod wheel to add LFO, etc. if you're left hand is busy playing a second keyboard, AT is very handy.
You can also use an expression pedal instead of mod wheel to morph LFO, freeing up your left hand.
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Re: Why is aftertouch gone in NL4/A1?
pablomastodon wrote:Did I say that recently? Proof positive that I am not infallible. As Marlowes points out, NL4 and NLA1 do not recognize AT per the Midi Implementation charts in the respective manuals.
My apologies Pablo, You didn't actually say that! I mis-remembered what you wrote, which was actually a workaround solution... here's the thread:
https://www.norduserforum.com/general-nord-forum-f29/using-modern-nords-as-a-master-keyboard-t8412.html?hilit=Aftertouch#p54207
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Re: Why is aftertouch gone in NL4/A1?
skintechnician wrote:You can also use an expression pedal instead of mod wheel to morph LFO, freeing up your left hand.
A baffling feature of the Lead 2X is that you can't filter out the exp. pedal MIDI info. In other words, you can't connect a Lead 2X to an Electro and use the Lead's expression pedal without affecting the Electro's (or any other keyboard's) volume.
IMHO: They should have had a musician involved more in the MIDI implementation. Why would you want the Lead's expression pedal (morph) to affect a second keyboard's volume?
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Re: Why is aftertouch gone in NL4/A1?
pablomastodon wrote:onboard voices have their PB limited to +/- 2 semi-tones on Stage 2, it's true, but this has nothing to do with PB range of external instruments. If the external device has a four-octave range, articulating pitch stick will address that full range.
Thanks, good to know! That makes the Nord Stage more useable for controlling external gear, still don't see the point of limiting the pitch stick for the internal sounds though (this is the "flagship" model after all). I recently ordered a C2D (which I'm stilling waiting for), and contemplating buying a Nord Stage (probably going to hold out until next year(?) for the Stage 3) - so I'm still a bit new to Nord keyboards. Anyways, I really like the concept of the A1. Hopefully there will be an A2 with a further refined analog modelling engine, more flexable oscillator section, along with aftertouch...
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Re: Why is aftertouch gone in NL4/A1?
I surely don't disagree that wider PB range would be great...when playing bass it's nice to have at least an octave for slides. By using mono mode and adjusting glide time to taste, this can be approximated with legato technique.
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Re: Why is aftertouch gone in NL4/A1?
I don't like aftertouch. I have a heavy playing style and aftertouch annoys me. I have yet to play a synth that implements aftertouch in a smooth and responsive way. I can always hear a player using aftertouch because the modulation comes in too suddenly. It's generally implemented more like an on/off switch and I don't think it usually sounds good. I like expression pedals much more. I'm very happy they left aftertouch off the A1, I'd hate to pay a lot for a feature I don't like.
I don't think it's fair to characterize players who don't like aftertouch as people who just don't understand it. That's ridiculous, there are different playing styles and different educated opinions.
That said, I hope they make an A2, expand on the feature set and include aftertouch for those that like it.
I don't think it's fair to characterize players who don't like aftertouch as people who just don't understand it. That's ridiculous, there are different playing styles and different educated opinions.
That said, I hope they make an A2, expand on the feature set and include aftertouch for those that like it.
Re: Why is aftertouch gone in NL4/A1?
Hi Guys,
Because I recently restarted playing with a Band on cover with songs that have a lot more "évolutive" sounds, i just rediscovered how aftertouch is important....I use my Stage 2, D50 and NL2x as main board and kind of Master keyboards as well to control my other expanders and I use AT all the time....But the AT o the Prophet 08 I just bought is incredible, so responsive....I agree on what you said, D50, 30 years old synth, and AT....
Because I recently restarted playing with a Band on cover with songs that have a lot more "évolutive" sounds, i just rediscovered how aftertouch is important....I use my Stage 2, D50 and NL2x as main board and kind of Master keyboards as well to control my other expanders and I use AT all the time....But the AT o the Prophet 08 I just bought is incredible, so responsive....I agree on what you said, D50, 30 years old synth, and AT....
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Re: Why is aftertouch gone in NL4/A1?
ljefe wrote:I don't like aftertouch. I have a heavy playing style and aftertouch annoys me. I have yet to play a synth that implements aftertouch in a smooth and responsive way. I can always hear a player using aftertouch because the modulation comes in too suddenly. It's generally implemented more like an on/off switch and I don't think it usually sounds good. I like expression pedals much more. I'm very happy they left aftertouch off the A1, I'd hate to pay a lot for a feature I don't like.
I don't think it's fair to characterize players who don't like aftertouch as people who just don't understand it. That's ridiculous, there are different playing styles and different educated opinions.
That said, I hope they make an A2, expand on the feature set and include aftertouch for those that like it.
Proper aftertouch shouldn't be simply off/on. If you played a keyboard like that, it used a cheap/poor aftertouch solution.
Re: Why is aftertouch gone in NL4/A1?
"A baffling feature of the Lead 2X is that you can't filter out the exp. pedal MIDI info. In other words, you can't connect a Lead 2X to an Electro and use the Lead's expression pedal without affecting the Electro's (or any other keyboard's) volume.
IMHO: They should have had a musician involved more in the MIDI implementation. Why would you want the Lead's expression pedal (morph) to affect a second keyboard's volume?"
I thought the NL2X already had AT?
Aren't all Clavia employees musicians (as advertised)?
I don't have an expression pedal but I thought (in theory ) you could plug the pedal directly to the A1(r)/NL4(r) then have midi in coming from Electro (midi out) so that you can trigger the Lead without the expression pedal affecting (Electro) volume?
IMHO: They should have had a musician involved more in the MIDI implementation. Why would you want the Lead's expression pedal (morph) to affect a second keyboard's volume?"
I thought the NL2X already had AT?
Aren't all Clavia employees musicians (as advertised)?
I don't have an expression pedal but I thought (in theory ) you could plug the pedal directly to the A1(r)/NL4(r) then have midi in coming from Electro (midi out) so that you can trigger the Lead without the expression pedal affecting (Electro) volume?
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