Nord User Forum

[sarahseagull]

Hi
Just got my new Nord 5 and already run into some trouble. Had an upgrade from the electro 2 so this seems so much more complicated!

Have basically managed to delete all the songs on the set list and now I can't save any new songs. Just says 'empty'.

Is there any way of getting the songs back?

thanks

Sarah

[MescaL636]

I also came from the Electro 2/3 and was confused at first how to save things in the Setlist. When you say get them back, are you talking about the presets? You can download a factory restore here: http://www.nordkeyboards.com/downloads/ ... -electro-5. If you programmed songs in already, I don't think you'd be able to restore them, but it might be worth having a look in the Nord Sound manager - http://www.nordkeyboards.com/downloads/software-tools in case they are around somewhere.

A bit of a dumb suggestion, but it really is worth reading the manual carefully as they cram a lot of information in there, and you are right it is a much more complex (and capable) machine than earlier electros.

If you just can't work out how to save in Set List mode - see page 12 of the manual copied below:

Set List entries are stored in much the same way in which you would store a Program. When you
have made the selection of Programs you want to use within a particular Song, follow the steps
below:
1. Select STORE AS... and you will now see the STORE AS screen. The cursor will highlight the
first character of the name
2. Press-hold the SHIFT button and an alphanumeric row of letters will show
3. Turn the PROG/MENU knob until the desired character is highlighted
4. Release SHIFT and the cursor will jump to the next letter slot. Optionally use the VALUE dial to
select a different position within the name
Optionally, use the DEL function to delete the selected character or INS to insert a blank space at
the current cursor position.
Repeat the actions above until the name of your Song is complete. When finished, press STORE
again and the STORE TO screen will show. Turn the PROG dial for selecting a different store location.
To save changes made to an existing Song, simply press STORE to enter the STORE TO screen.
STORING PROGRAM CHANGES FROM SET LIST MODE
You also have the option to store an edited Program from within Set List mode. Simply press
down on the A-D button corresponding to the Program you want to store, and from there procede
as usual when storing a Program (see “Storing and naming Programs” on page 6).

[sarahseagull]

Thanks for your help!

I'll try that. Yes have already started to download songs but restoring will be worth it to get the set list presets back.

thanks

Sarah

[sarahseagull]

Tried to do a factory restore but that didn't work. Yes I have the nord sound manager and have been substituting sounds in the sampler. I had to delete sounds to make room for the sounds I wanted which is where this mess all started.

The set list started saying that the were 'empty programs' . Also I could save my 4 programs to each song but when I moved to a different song they were lost? Which is why I thought deleting the songs in the set list to start again might work but now seems I can't get any songs back.

All I can do is save 4 programs to the A, B, C,D buttons and that's it. Yes I have been reading the manual but words like 'preset's don't mean much to me as I've been using vintage keys most my life and only recently got a Nord electro 2 to save the heavy lifting to gigs. Shame that I can't save my programs on my new Nord 5 but looks like I'll have to manage with the 4 sounds somehow.

[maxpiano]

You need to understand what NE5 Programs and Set Lists actually are, then it will all be easier.

PROGRAM: same as on the NE2, a Program is a complete registration of all NE5 parameters, you have 400 locations (8 banks x 50 programs) which are all used by Factory patches initially, so to store one of yours you need to delete and/or overwrite one of them. See pages 5-6 on NE5 manual for detailed instructions on how to store and name your own programs.

SET LIST: a list/group of 4 existing Programs (so just a reference to them, not a copy; if you modify the original Programs they will change also in the Sets which "use" = reference them). See page 11 of NE5 manual for details on Set Lists creation and management.

[anotherscott]

I can't get any songs back. .

Really, it's not worth spending any time on. A song doesn't have any unique sounds, you haven't lost anything. All it does is group together sounds that are already somewhere else in the machine.

In case that isn't clear: Let's say you're playing a tune that need piano, wurli EP, and clavinet at various different points. Well, your piano is Program #1, but when you want to go to Wurli, you'll have to spin the dial to get to Program #9 (or hit a bunch of buttons), and when you want to get to clav, you'll have to spin the dial again to get to #19 (assuming all these sounds are still in their original factory locations), then have to spin back to #9 when you want to play Wurli again. Wouldn't it be convenient, if every time you wanted to play this tune, you could have button A be piano, button B be Wurli, and button C be Clav? Then you could switch among them instantaneously, with no dial spinning. So the solution is to create a Song that assigns Program #1 Piano to button A, Program #9 Wurli to button B, and Program # 19 Clav to button C. When Nord ships the keyboard, they includes some sample songs, but the odds that any of them have the exact sounds you need for any given song in the exact order you need are virtually nil. So losing them is insignificant. All the sounds are still there, and you can place whichever ones you want in 4-unit combinations (Songs) as you need them.

All I can do is save 4 programs to the A, B, C,D buttons and that's it. Yes I have been reading the manual but words like 'preset's don't mean much to me as I've been using vintage keys most my life and only recently got a Nord electro 2 to save the heavy lifting to gigs. Shame that I can't save my programs on my new Nord 5 but looks like I'll have to manage with the 4 sounds somehow.

Your Electro 2 also let you save presets, it had 48 user memory locations (6 Banks of 8 Programs each). Same idea on the Electro 5, which has 400 memory locations (8 banks x 50 programs each), but you have to use the wheel to access them instead of the 8 buttons the Electro 2 had (which is why they also give you Song mode to let you redefine the 4 buttons to be able to have whatever 4 sounds you need at any given time, regardless of where they actually reside among the 8 banks of 50 programs). As shipped, the first 4 banks of programs have factory-supplied sounds in them, banks 5 through 8 are empty, for you to use to store your own programs (sounds).

It sounds like you've already figured out how to save 4 programs to the A/B/C/D buttons. If you want to save an additional set of 4 programs to those buttons, that's what the Song mode is for. Just use the wheel to save the next 4 programs to the next song location. (ETA: Make sure you are in Set List mode for this, i.e. the light next to the Set List button should be on.)

I think the biggest source of people's confusion is that you can only save EXISTING programs to song locations. If you create a new sound (by tweaking various front panel controls) you can NOT save that new/modified sound to a Song location. You have to save it as a new PROGRAM first. Remember, I said that banks 5 through 8 are empty as shipped, they are there for you to store your own programs. So if you came up with a new sound you like, save it as, for example, the first program in bank 5. Once you have saved it, it is available for you to include in a Song so it can be placed side-by-side with three other sounds of your choosing under the A/B/C/D buttons.

[Blueguitar007]

In set list you can change the attack, filter, reverb, amp etc...for a program stored in the set list, and it won't modify the original program that it referenced and is stored under programs.
So you can add a "flute" to a "song" under a setlist and reduce the attack and add some effects and the original "flute" program will be uneffected when you go back to it not in that setlist, or if you want to use "flute" in another song in the next setlist it will bring up the original "flute" program with the original fast attack.l and original parameters, effects etc...

[anotherscott]

In set list you can change the attack, filter, reverb, amp etc...for a program stored in the set list, and it won't modify the original program that it referenced and is stored under programs.
So you can add a "flute" to a "song" under a setlist and reduce the attack and add some effects and the original "flute" program will be uneffected when you go back to it not in that setlist, or if you want to use "flute" in another song in the next setlist it will bring up the original "flute" program with the original fast attack.l and original parameters, effects etc...

I don't have an E5 anymore, but IIRC, sure, you can change the attack, filter, etc. while playing a sound from a song in set list mode, but those settings cannot be saved as part of the song/set list function. The next time you go back to that song in set list mode, you will again get the original flute program, and not one with your modifications. If you want that song to have a modified flute sound every time you call it up, you have to save the modified flute sound as its own program and then make that new program part of the song on the set list.

[Blueguitar007]

You are correct. I realized this after posting. You can hold down the button and save it to the original program but that's changing the program.
I guess this is the one advantage the Electro 6 has is it's a different program for each page. But I like setlist function better.

[anotherscott]

I guess this is the one advantage the Electro 6 has is it's a different program for each page.

OTOH, if (for example) Nord comes out with a new Rhodes sound, and you want to use it in place of the Rhodes sound you used in a whole bunch of songs, the E5 approach means you can change one program and those songs will all change; on the E6, you'll have to change it separately for each song.