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RE:Transfering Sample Files (Wavs)

Postby monsterjazzlicks » 30 Dec 2021, 04:24

Hi folks,

I hope it's permissible for me to open here a new thread - even though it's still related to 'brass' samples. Moderators please feel free to relocate.

I have (or rather had!) some good brass samples on another machine (some years back). They were on my EMU rackmount - which died pretty more or less. But luckily I had backed them up on a friends EMU so he was able, very kindly, to export the Wavs of each program and zip them up via We Transfer.

Now, SOME of the notes play fine while others do not (I'm currently heartbroken! :( ).

Please see attach. I am playing a basic C chromatic scale up & down. You will hear that some of the tones are way off. I also demonstrate with some basic triads (C, F & G Major), and you can really hear the dissonance. On top of this, the entire keyboard (or rather all of the Wavs as a whole) are a entire semitone out! I mean, I have the E6D midied to a Roland XV50/50 and the Roland is in C (as it should be) while the Nord is in B (ie. a semitone lower throughout)!!!

I am wondering if the issue is with 'mapping', or if the EMU had it's own 'exclusive' settings configured to make this sample work only on itself - therefore rendering it un-transferable?

I have another three of similar ilk, and it would be totally fantastic to get these up & running again, on the Nord. If anyone can sort them I would be happy to give them something towards their time and helpfulness. :)

Best,

Paul David Seaman

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Re: RE:Transfering Sample Files (Wavs)

Postby monsterjazzlicks » 30 Dec 2021, 04:26

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Re: RE:Transfering Sample Files (Wavs)

Postby WannitBBBad » 30 Dec 2021, 06:47

The Nord Sample Editor isn't flawless sometimes in importing WAV files and assigning appropriate notes depending on the content. G#2 for example has two samples assigned to it. You can click on each sample tab to listen to Sample 1 or Sample 2 to determine which one is correct for that note. Sometimes when I have this problem where WAV file notes overlap, I'll start over and import the first WAV, and then drag it to a comparable note in an open area, such as dragging G#2 down to G#0, so the next import to G#2 stands alone. Staying with the G#2 example, you also have the option as it stands of copying the G#2 zone, pasting it to G#0, and then deleting one of the two samples from each to end up with only one sample on G#0 and the other on G#2. After you separated all the notes so there's just one sample per note, you can arrange them in the correct order. Using the first approach is usually easier, as you can highlight all notes from the first import and drag all to an open area so the overlap is minimized. Let me know if this explanation helped light the light bulb or left you really in the dark... take care.
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Re: RE:Transfering Sample Files (Wavs)

Postby monsterjazzlicks » 30 Dec 2021, 06:58

Cheers WBBB,

I greatly appreciate your support again. :thumbup:

I'll test it out tomorrow evening. I think I pretty much understand what you are kindly describing here.

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Re: RE:Transfering Sample Files (Wavs)

Postby monsterjazzlicks » 30 Dec 2021, 07:04

. . . oh btw, I'm not sure if some of the four EMU brass presets utilize Velocity Switching. If they do then might this present an issue because I think the Nord is only capable of either one of no layers of Velocity Switching?
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Re: RE:Transfering Sample Files (Wavs)

Postby WannitBBBad » 30 Dec 2021, 07:36

monsterjazzlicks wrote:. . . oh btw, I'm not sure if some of the four EMU brass presets utilize Velocity Switching. If they do then might this present an issue because I think the Nord is only capable of either one of no layers of Velocity Switching?

For a NSMP or NSMP3 sample, I believe only "Sample 1" of a note with overlapping samples will be used. For any note with 2 or more samples, I would find new homes for the multiple samples to get down to one sample per note, reassign notes as needed, and delete what you're not going to use. If the samples do represent Velocity Switching, an option would be to set up different keyboard ranges for each velocity level.
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Re: RE:Transfering Sample Files (Wavs)

Postby monsterjazzlicks » 31 Dec 2021, 01:51

Cheers WBBB,

Well, I just spent a couple of hours on it but I did not get the results I was striving for, unfortunately.

I managed to get about a quarter of the Wavs in their correct place (ie. on the respective notes). It seems the project I am currently building has only two samples per octave (C and G - root and 5th). However, I ran out of locations (on the drag&drop keyboard) rather quickly. This makes me wonder if the sample should be two samples on C then two samples on G, (making it four notes per octave) and so on . . . I was thinking this because, as on a lot of standard Brass patches, they are built in octaves. But that was as far as I got because, when I was playing the sample within the Sample Editor, it sounded OK-ish, but when I transferred it to the Nord synth it suddenly sounded weak and thin!

So maybe all of the extra notes (duplicates) are for velocity-switching, as you mention.

Thanks.

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Re: RE:Transfering Sample Files (Wavs)

Postby monsterjazzlicks » 31 Dec 2021, 02:02

Is it possible to navigate down to C0, please? I have only managed to get as low down as F0.

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Re: RE:Transfering Sample Files (Wavs)

Postby WannitBBBad » 31 Dec 2021, 02:32

monsterjazzlicks wrote:Is it possible to navigate down to C0, please? I have only managed to get as low down as F0.

I believe you can only map to the notes applicable to the piano's 88 keys. Unfortunately having samples for only two notes per octave is hard to work with when you have sounds that have embedded time-related elements such as vibrato or a filter opening/closing. The interpolation between notes is just speeding up or slowing down the C or G actual samples. Are all of your sampled notes in a single WAV file, or multiple WAV files?
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Re: RE:Transfering Sample Files (Wavs)

Postby monsterjazzlicks » 31 Dec 2021, 02:53

Hi WBBB,

I just made a slightly better job of it, in one respect. I pre-listened to each Wav before placing it on the appropriate Editor keyboard note. So, I have all of the C's and G's correctly in place (that's something at least!). However, I have only done this for layer-one. I believe the complete sample is actually two samples per note. So I need to re-listen to the 2nd half of the Wavs and repeat what I did for the 1st layer. Hopefully the process will be the same (it's taken me about 3 hours so far! lol :D ).

Although I was not able to manually access the upper and lower extremities of the Nord Electro's range in the Editor, it does play every single note (correctly) after I transferred/saved it to the physical keyboard (so that's something else at least!). But I totally agree with you on the problematic fact of only having two samples per octave. There should be at least three - I usually go for four!

The reason I still believe this is a layered patch is because at the moment the brass preset sounds only half as good as it used to. As I say, I think it was in 'octaves'.

I'll have to have another look at it sometime tomorrow . . .

Much appreciated as always,

Paul

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