Changing Program/Patch on 5D with MobileSheets Pro

[FZiegler]

@Tasten-Bert: of course NE receives daya because the ESI OUT is connected to its IN, but then he connected the ESI "other terminal"=IN to the MIDI Merge... how can the Motif get Program Changes from MobileSheets this way??

I don't understand your point. Do you consider that the ESI MIDI adapter doesn't have one IN and one OUT but instead 2 connectors that can serve as IN or OUT in any combination? So 2 DIN outs are possible with that cable. But maybe not on the MobileSheets Pro or the Android side of the game.

[maxpiano]

No, I am not saying that at all Fziegler, I am saying exactly the opposite.

Please read again what Rufus wrote (the connections he made, he connected the ESI to voth NE and Merger: how can this work since the ESI has only 1 OUT and 1 IN ?) then my reply and then reason why I suggest the connections you can read in my post should be clear, if you consider the fact that NE has no Sot Thru capability, there is no alternative to send the PCs to both NE and Motif via the ESI

[Rufus8102]

The ESI MIDIMATE eX cable has 2 male midi ends. Each one can be used for midi IN or OUT.....both out, both in, or one in and one out.

[FZiegler]

Thanks for clarifying. I somehow must have been unclear in my expression: That's what I wanted to say.

BTW Was it an Android or a Windows device you use? The problem may be the system MIDI routines.

[maxpiano]

The ESI MIDIMATE eX cable has 2 male midi ends. Each one can be used for midi IN or OUT.....both out, both in, or one in and one out.

I stand corrected, I didn't know the Esi Midimate EX is different that standard USB MIDI cables and has that capability, but I wonder how does that work then i.e. how do you configure it and how the system sees the 2 OUTs as port names (btw are you on Windows, Android or...?)

[Rufus8102]

I'm using an Android tablet.

I tried using the hookup that Max suggested and still can't get the programs to change. However, the midi light on the Electro flashes when I choose a song, but no program change. It also made the Electro sound weird because it is getting double messages when i play the keys. The Electro is sending midi event messages to the Midisport which is going into the Motif then out the Thru and back into the Electro. So that hookup isn't going to work.

If I go to the Mobilesheets midi command page where I created the commands, there's a test button. If I press the test button for the Electro command, it will change to the correct program, but if I press it again, it will go to the first program in whatever bank I'm in. If I keep pressing the test button, It will toggle back and forth between the correct program and the first program in the bank. WEIRD!!! If I do the same for the Motif command, the midi light on the Electro flashes but no change on the Motif.

I also found that if I want to be able to play the Motif sounds from the Electro's keyboard, both keyboards have to be on the same channel (Global for Electro/Basic Receive Channel for Motif). If i put them on different channels as Tasten suggested, I'm not able to play the Motif's sounds from the Electro.

Another thing I'm confused about is that on the Mobilesheets Midi Settings page, there is a Midi Send Channel which can be selected (1-16). But when you go to the Midi Command page where you create the commands, there's an option to select a channel for each command. Where should these be set and where should my Global and Basic Receive Channels be set? Something doesn't seem right. Do I need a USB to midi converter? I thought that's what the ESI cable did. Do I need a Midi Host?

The more I try to figure this out, the more confused and frustrated i'm getting! And suggestions are greatly appreciated.

[maxpiano]

I think your problem is the MIDI channel configuration then, as I wrote before you should use the NE5 UpperSplit function to play the Motif, not its Global channel, in this way you will have no MIDI loop and you can set the Global channels to different values.

Example of settings:

- Motif Global Channel 1
- NE5 Global Channel 16
- NE5 UpperSplit channel = 1 and MIDI Upper Split Enabled (see NE5 manual for details of settings required you want to enable MIDI UpperSplit)

Please try the above and let us know.

As a second step, I would also suggest to not use Motif Global channel but work in Combi or Seq mode and assign one or more specific Parts to the NE5 (e.g. on channel 2 and set NE5 UpperSplit to ch 2 as well), so that you can play other parts directly on the Motif (btw which Motif model is yours, exactly?)

[Tasten-Bert]

Hmm, there seems to be a limitation - either playing the Motif‘s sounds from the electro’s keybed over the full range of keys or making program changes on both keyboards possible. The thing is, whatever program change code you send on the one MIDI channel, it will do something on both keyboards: the right thing on the board it was programmed for and something else, only by chance the right thing, on the second keyboard. Two different MIDI channels would avoid this. But this will leave you with the restriction of playing the sounds. One idea is, if you don‘t need the full range of keys on both boards, to split the electro and set different MIDI channels for upper and lower part. The upper key area can then control the Motif (if set to the same MIDI channel), whereas the lower part will play the electro‘s internal sounds. Only limited key range, unfortunately.

What would you think?

Cheers

Edit: My post was based on Rufus‘s - I saw the one from Max only later.

[Rufus8102]

Max to answer your question, Im using the original Motif (6). It's a workhorse and still sounds great.Tasten, I believe you are correct. I was able to get both keyboards to change programs but without the capability of playing both keyboards from the Electro. Using your's and Max's split idea doesn't really work for me. I need to have the whole keyboard to play on.

I didn't end up using the ESI cable, but rather I connected the tablet via usb to the Midisport USB IN. I ran a midi cable from A OUT of the Midisport to the Midi IN of the Motif, and another midi cable from the Motif THRU to the Electro Midi IN.

So as of now I guess I have the option of just sending a USB from the tablet to the Electro and have only those programs change, but with the ability to still have both keyboards midi'd together...OR be able to change both programs, but without the 2 keyboards being midi'd together.

I was hoping to be able to have the best of both worlds. If anyone has any suggestions as to another way of achieving this, please let me know. Thanks for all of your help!

[st2ex]

By the way. Mobile Sheets on Android works as well with Yamaha BT01 wireless bluetooth interface connected to my Stage 4