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Re: New Nord Electro 6

Postby baekgaard » 24 Jan 2018, 17:22

ozio01 wrote:
analogika wrote:You do have to make the initial effort to understand the structure of the machine, but once you do, anything you might want to do can be done in under thirty seconds, without having to remember any weird button order or so.


UX is so appealing just because... it is completely subjective (you love it or you hate it) ;)

Neveretheless, on stage... gigging... sweating... 30 seconds are a life.


That's what the Stage series is optimised for :-) I've got both an Electro 3 and a Stage 3 (10 years in between making), and on the NS3 I don't mind dialling up just about any sound that I'd like on the fly, even while playing. Tweaking settings, changing balance, adding some background synth pad, etc... :-)
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Re: New Nord Electro 6

Postby Happy » 24 Jan 2018, 18:20

1. So this can't load the new Stage 3 piano sample libraries ?
2. True 3 part multi-timbrality ? (each layer 100% exact same functionality) or something half baked ?
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Re: New Nord Electro 6

Postby ericL » 24 Jan 2018, 18:22

Happy wrote:1. So this can't load the new Stage 3 piano sample libraries ?


The Nord piano library is relevant to each of the Nords that have a piano section, within the constraints of the memory allocation.
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Re: New Nord Electro 6

Postby analogika » 24 Jan 2018, 18:26

Happy wrote:1. So this can't load the new Stage 3 piano sample libraries ?

Of course it can. All Nord Stage/Classics newer than the Electro 2/Stage Classic can use the current Nord Pianos, if they have enough space.

There is nothing new to the Stage 3 with regard to pianos.

What is new is the sample format for the sample synth engine. The Electro 6 supports the new format.
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Re: New Nord Electro 6

Postby JohnN » 24 Jan 2018, 18:31

Support for the Nord Triple Pedal would have been nice.
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Re: New Nord Electro 6

Postby analogika » 24 Jan 2018, 18:32

ozio01 wrote:
analogika wrote:You do have to make the initial effort to understand the structure of the machine, but once you do, anything you might want to do can be done in under thirty seconds, without having to remember any weird button order or so.


UX is so appealing just because... it is completely subjective (you love it or you hate it) ;)

Neveretheless, on stage... gigging... sweating... 30 seconds are a life.

You've never tried programming your Motif on stage, have you. Nobody sane would.

On the Stage, thirty seconds is the space from a verse to the next chorus after you’ve decided you’d like to add a Hammond layer to the piano for the next chorus. Sure. It'll be ready by then, since you can quickly set it up with one hand as you’re playing the piano with the other. Just did that last gig, in fact.

I wouldn’t dream of doing that with a Kronos or my old Motif. As in, hell no, no effing way.
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Re: New Nord Electro 6

Postby ozio01 » 24 Jan 2018, 19:26

analogika wrote:
ozio01 wrote:
analogika wrote:You do have to make the initial effort to understand the structure of the machine, but once you do, anything you might want to do can be done in under thirty seconds, without having to remember any weird button order or so.


UX is so appealing just because... it is completely subjective (you love it or you hate it) ;)

Neveretheless, on stage... gigging... sweating... 30 seconds are a life.

You've never tried programming your Motif on stage, have you. Nobody sane would.

On the Stage, thirty seconds is the space from a verse to the next chorus after you’ve decided you’d like to add a Hammond layer to the piano for the next chorus. Sure. It'll be ready by then, since you can quickly set it up with one hand as you’re playing the piano with the other. Just did that last gig, in fact.

I wouldn’t dream of doing that with a Kronos or my old Motif. As in, hell no, no effing way.


You are right. My XF6 is doing dust because of the interface. Many tell, exactly as you, about even worse things with Kronos (and Kurtzweil, in general). But... hope never ends. Being basically a simulator of electro instruments, I expected my NE5 much more usable and immediate. I keep dreaming...


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Re: New Nord Electro 6

Postby benny ray » 24 Jan 2018, 20:14

On my Kronos I have almost every combination that you would use on a song in Setlist so it would be a little problem but I would search for the right combi and bam game on. That's the way I approach songs like that. But we all know they are exceptions to every rule. The Setlist on the KRONOS is the best on any keyboard that I have seen for searching for sounds really fast IMHO.
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Re: New Nord Electro 6

Postby analogika » 24 Jan 2018, 21:11

Yes. The Kronos is great if you’ve spent plenty of time fighting its atrocious interface and put huge amounts of though into setting everything up ahead of time.

If you are in a situation where you’d like to do something that you know it’s capable of, but hadn’t thought to prep beforehand, it is utterly useless, even if you know it very well.
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Re: New Nord Electro 6

Postby anotherscott » 25 Jan 2018, 00:37

analogika wrote:Yes. The Kronos is great if you’ve spent plenty of time fighting its atrocious interface and put huge amounts of though into setting everything up ahead of time.

If you are in a situation where you’d like to do something that you know it’s capable of, but hadn’t thought to prep beforehand, it is utterly useless, even if you know it very well.

The newest Kronos OS makes it much easier to assemble splits/layers on the fly.

ozio01 wrote:I read somewhere something about "completely revised interface"... What?

Its operation is now basically the same as the Stage series. Specifically, instead of an Upper and a Lower section within which you select an engine, there are now 3 Engine sections within which you select the desired keyboard range. Once they chose to support more than two sounds at a time, it was a logical change. So on the 5, if you want piano on top, you go to the Upper section and assign it to Piano; on the 6 you go to the Piano section and assign it to the top keyboard range. Each method can have its advantage. An advantage of the old way is that you could, for example, switch the top section from organ to piano with a single button, now it's two (one to turn piano on, another to turn organ off; but OTOH, the fact that turning on one sound no longer automatically replaces the previous sound means that now you can layer the piano and organ together.


WaldenMod66 wrote:No, Volume and Gain are completely different things...all other previous Electros had both Master Volume & Master Gain knobs. This latest Electro has done away with the Master Gain. Gain controls the strength of the signal, volume purely adjusts how loud or quiet the output of the keyboard is. Adding Gain means your signal cuts through the mix better and means your are driving a stronger signal to your speakers, without increasing the volume.
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If you think adjusting the Gain knob on an Electro does not affect volume, it sounds like you've never used it! The idea of using it to create a stronger signal to cut through the mix without making it louder is wrong. Sending a "stronger" signal to your speakers (or your amp) will increase its volume (unless the thing you're driving has a compressor/limiter engaged, or you are reaching its saturation level in which case you may get distortion instead of increased volume). Gain is in fact a kind of volume or level control, except it specifically refers to the level of something going into something else. On an Electro 5, the Gain is the second-to-last volume control, feeding the Master Level (that's the "something else" it is going into). The reason we want both controls on an Electro is that Gain is programmable, Master Level is strictly a real-time control. So you use the Gain to make sure all your sounds have the correct volumes relative to each other, and then at the gig, you control your overall level with the Master, knowing that all your stored Programs will maintain their correct relative levels regardless of where you set the Master. (One additional factor on the 5 is, if your Program contained two sounds split or layered, then to get all the levels right, you need to set and save not just the Gain but also the Part Mix, obviously not a factor on earlier Electros which could only play one sound a a time.)

On the Electro 6, the Gain and Part Mix knobs have been replaced by separate knobs for the three sections. They are labeled "Level" but they could have as easily labelled them "Gain" (but that may be less immediately understandable by the average user). They are similarly programmable levels that are stored with the Programs, used to determine what is being fed to your Master Level to control the final output going to your mixer/amp.
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