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Re: Nord c2d + 3300 vs new B3 + 122xb

Postby bdodds » 08 Nov 2012, 06:51

Octopus wrote:Some week i nearly bought an A100 1963 with leslie 245. The age, electronic and weight freightened me.


NO! DO IT! I've a '61 and it is has personality and soul and you can't even come close to the keyboard action. Seriously if it's for home, if you want something to play and enjoy, getting an original console is the gold standard still, and you can find people to service them - or do it yourself!

When the hundreds of clones I've owned and gigged and tried out over the years are fizzled out and in the scrap pile, my '61 A-100 will be played by my grandkids and it will spit and scream and chirp and growl.
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Re: Nord c2d + 3300 vs new B3 + 122xb

Postby Mooser » 20 Nov 2012, 22:28

"And the nine contacts which gives you the correct control over the attack."

I was playing my C2 back-to-back with my 63 (last of the old brown caps, now replaced) A-100 last night. That is indeed the next big challenge for clonewheels, to either use some kind of multiple contact key, or improve the programming to incorporate the multiple contact effect (hmmm, it almost seems like some "digital lag" would be a good thing here) The slight variations in click, and contact behavior from key-to-key are a big part of it.
When Nord (who else will it be? huh? who? Of course it'll be Nord!) finds a way to incorporate the vintage key response without going to the complication or weight or expense of 9-contact keys is when I'll purchase my next clonewheel That's an improvement which'll make me replace my C2 in a hurry!
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Re: Nord c2d + 3300 vs new B3 + 122xb

Postby flmc59 » 20 Nov 2012, 23:28

Modern keybeds like fatars have two contacts.
The time between closing the two.
Nord triggers on the high on (user selectable) and then does some tricks to change the click length depending on how fast you hit the key

VB3 uses the velocity to determine key klick length. And has a setting for max klick lenght.
So they are adressing issue.

Buy having the nine contacts gives you more complexity
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Re: Nord c2d + 3300 vs new B3 + 122xb

Postby Octopus » 22 Nov 2012, 15:33

I just ordered Nord C2D + Nord Pedals 27 + Nord Stand + Leslie 3300

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Re: Nord c2d + 3300 vs new B3 + 122xb

Postby flmc59 » 22 Nov 2012, 19:37

Congratulations.
You will have a great sound.
And a portable sound.
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Re: Nord c2d + 3300 vs new B3 + 122xb

Postby HwyStar » 22 Nov 2012, 21:51

That will be a great setup Octopus!
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Re: Nord c2d + 3300 vs new B3 + 122xb

Postby Mooser » 25 Nov 2012, 20:32

"I just ordered Nord C2D + Nord Pedals 27 + Nord Stand + Leslie 3300"

Wow! That sounds like one hell of a clonewheel rig! BTW, you said you "ordered it"? What kind of lead time did you get on the 3300? Is it being shipped from stock, or will you have to wait?

FLMC: Thanks for the info on key-contacts. Perusing the "Combo Organ Heaven" site, I noticed that early electric organs might have any number of key contacts, with Hammond's 9 being the most.
But as you say, 2 should be enough, to do the job. I'm sure they'll improve it.
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Re: Nord c2d + 3300 vs new B3 + 122xb

Postby flmc59 » 26 Nov 2012, 19:57

I am vaiting for the day a keybed maker comes up with one that can sense tge 9 trigger points. 4 - 5 would make it possible for the clone makers to increase the intelligense in how the attac of a key is read.

But I doubt anyone will. The market is to limited.
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Re: Nord c2d + 3300 vs new B3 + 122xb

Postby Mooser » 01 Dec 2012, 21:33

"4 - 5 would make it possible for the clone makers to..."

While perusing "Combo Organ Heaven" website, I noted that many organs they list use anywhere from 1 to 5 key-contacts.
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Re: Nord c2d + 3300 vs new B3 + 122xb

Postby Octopus » 22 Dec 2012, 09:18

Yesterday My nord c2d and leslie 3300 arrived and is now installed in my musicroom.

I cant describe in Word How good this combonation sounds like. It is religion and magic.

If you are considering à 3300 for your clone. Buy it!!! It also works Great with your other keyboards and also guitars!
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