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Re: C2d or another clone...
Any time I feel annoyed about having to carry my equipment and that it's too heavy, I remember that it's NOT a 200kg B3 and that the musicians who gave us the great pantheon of Hammond Jazz/Soul/Funk/Blues etc really suffered for their art and dragged that stuff around the USA day after day, week after week.
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Re: C2d or another clone...
I have sympathy for having more than one organ.
I am about to get a 18 keys midi pedal to complete my fourth organ setup
* Hammond XB3 is always ready to play at home. (and xm2 will provide the sound in the future)
*Nord C2d + A100 pegals + 145 or Motionsound rigg for gigging in Gbg
*Nord C2 + 18 keys elka midi pedals in my room in Stockholm where I work
*Nord C1 + Studiologic MP117 pedals + MotionSound pro3tm + MotionSound Low Pro in a church in Stockholm
This way I allways have acess to an organ regardless of where I am.
Then I have an 49 key usb midi keyboard and VB3 in case of emergency or in the summer in my boat
I am about to get a 18 keys midi pedal to complete my fourth organ setup
* Hammond XB3 is always ready to play at home. (and xm2 will provide the sound in the future)
*Nord C2d + A100 pegals + 145 or Motionsound rigg for gigging in Gbg
*Nord C2 + 18 keys elka midi pedals in my room in Stockholm where I work
*Nord C1 + Studiologic MP117 pedals + MotionSound pro3tm + MotionSound Low Pro in a church in Stockholm
This way I allways have acess to an organ regardless of where I am.
Then I have an 49 key usb midi keyboard and VB3 in case of emergency or in the summer in my boat
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Re: C2d or another clone...
It is not about the weight. I am strong
It is more about comfortability. The law of least resistance.
I play more if My instruments is "ready". Like My Yamaha cp 300 or the real Ap in My livingroom. My guitars is hanging on the walls or in stands. Not in cases under the bed etc. Just klick on and play!! No rigging time.,,, less playing.
Yes, im lazy
It is more about comfortability. The law of least resistance.
I play more if My instruments is "ready". Like My Yamaha cp 300 or the real Ap in My livingroom. My guitars is hanging on the walls or in stands. Not in cases under the bed etc. Just klick on and play!! No rigging time.,,, less playing.
Yes, im lazy
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Re: C2d or another clone...
Octopus wrote:It is not about the weight. I am strong
Yes, im lazy
Yes me too. I have doubles of my stands, pedals and cables set up at home, and only have to pop my keyboards into the cases to go play. All my duplicate gear is ready to go in the garage.
I am constantly refining the system too!
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Re: C2d or another clone...
I have a Nord C2 (updated to C2d sound engine). The Nord C2 is, in my opinion, the best stand-alone organ clone out there. I had the Nord C1 and they really made some nice changes for the C2: better action, more left hand bass articulation for playing jazz organ bass, better percussion, better key click, etc. Now with the C2d sound engine you've got another Leslie simulation as well.
I also have Hammond SK2. If you're not going to use a real Leslie, the SK2 is perhaps slightly better and sounds a bit more "Hammond-like" at least to my ears. But, that is completely subjective....up to you. It too has a great action plus all those other voices you can combine with the organ.
With the Nord C2 you can run straight from the 11 pin pre-amp already on the back of the C2 direct to a Leslie (I have a Leslie 3300). This is actually a better set up than a real B-3 which I also own. You control the speed of the Leslie with the onboard controls on the C2 versus a foot switch (which you can't with the SK2 because it doesn't have a built-in 11 pin preamp).
U-Tube Eddie Landsberg talking about making your 'Hammond clone' sound more like a real Hammond. He's using a C2 to make the demo and not using a real Leslie - which you don't really need and which is the whole point of not having to haul all this heavy stuff around to low paying gigs with limited space and still have it sound great.
Landsberg - truly a great organist/musician with two functional hands - makes the point that a great clone, like the C2 or C2d, is "better" than the real thing. I own the real thing and it: has no EQ, has no variable distortion, has no reverb (unless you have a 122RV), is too friggin' big and heavy, drips oil over the place, is subject to power surges, needs to have the chorus/vibrato rebuilt or it 'motorboats', on and on.
I also have Hammond SK2. If you're not going to use a real Leslie, the SK2 is perhaps slightly better and sounds a bit more "Hammond-like" at least to my ears. But, that is completely subjective....up to you. It too has a great action plus all those other voices you can combine with the organ.
With the Nord C2 you can run straight from the 11 pin pre-amp already on the back of the C2 direct to a Leslie (I have a Leslie 3300). This is actually a better set up than a real B-3 which I also own. You control the speed of the Leslie with the onboard controls on the C2 versus a foot switch (which you can't with the SK2 because it doesn't have a built-in 11 pin preamp).
U-Tube Eddie Landsberg talking about making your 'Hammond clone' sound more like a real Hammond. He's using a C2 to make the demo and not using a real Leslie - which you don't really need and which is the whole point of not having to haul all this heavy stuff around to low paying gigs with limited space and still have it sound great.
Landsberg - truly a great organist/musician with two functional hands - makes the point that a great clone, like the C2 or C2d, is "better" than the real thing. I own the real thing and it: has no EQ, has no variable distortion, has no reverb (unless you have a 122RV), is too friggin' big and heavy, drips oil over the place, is subject to power surges, needs to have the chorus/vibrato rebuilt or it 'motorboats', on and on.
Stage 2 Ex, Nord C2, Electro 3, Yamaha C7, Vintage Vibe 73 piano, Crumar Mojo, Leslie 3300, Wurlitzer 200A, Rhodes 73 Suitcase, Clavinet D6, Hohner Pianet T, Vox Continental, Vox Super Continental, Gibson K-101, Yamaha YC25D organ
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Re: C2d or another clone...
How long has Nord been around? A long time. How long has this incarnation of "Crumar" who makes the 'Mojo' been around? Like a millisecond. How reliable is that Crumar Mojo going to be? If you need to get it fixed 18 months from now will the company even be around? I know Nord will.
I know we're all 'tonewheel purists' to some extent but if we get too obscure we wind up with unserviceable equipment 2 years from now that you can hang only your laundry on.
Nord has proven they're a formidable alternative to Roland, Yamaha, and Korg for all kinds of keyboards; and Nord has proven they will take care of their customers. They've given us a constant supply of updates and even kept the Nord C2 from obsolescence by giving us a C2d sound engine for the C2.
Where's "crumar" going to be in a year?
I know we're all 'tonewheel purists' to some extent but if we get too obscure we wind up with unserviceable equipment 2 years from now that you can hang only your laundry on.
Nord has proven they're a formidable alternative to Roland, Yamaha, and Korg for all kinds of keyboards; and Nord has proven they will take care of their customers. They've given us a constant supply of updates and even kept the Nord C2 from obsolescence by giving us a C2d sound engine for the C2.
Where's "crumar" going to be in a year?
Stage 2 Ex, Nord C2, Electro 3, Yamaha C7, Vintage Vibe 73 piano, Crumar Mojo, Leslie 3300, Wurlitzer 200A, Rhodes 73 Suitcase, Clavinet D6, Hohner Pianet T, Vox Continental, Vox Super Continental, Gibson K-101, Yamaha YC25D organ
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Re: C2d or another clone...
"like the C2 or C2d, is "better" than the real thing."
The only problem I have had with my C-2 is getting other people to accept that it is "just" an organ. They can't understand why it doesn't make every sound in the world like every other keyboard they've ever seen. Nor do they understand why I want such a thing instead of, say a Motif, that "does it all'.
The only problem I have had with my C-2 is getting other people to accept that it is "just" an organ. They can't understand why it doesn't make every sound in the world like every other keyboard they've ever seen. Nor do they understand why I want such a thing instead of, say a Motif, that "does it all'.
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Re: C2d or another clone...
If you are about the sound and not care about the weight then the best way is to get a hammond xk3c pro system
thats the closest to the real thing!
thats the closest to the real thing!
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Re: C2d or another clone...
I sold my xk3-c and Vent and bought the C2 when the new 2.0 OS arrived,
Love my C2 !!!
Regards,
Love my C2 !!!
Regards,
Daniel
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