Okay, I understand now, that's why guitarist are never on time....It's not them, just the instrument they use!!!
I should post that on "guitar magazine forum" to see their reaction...
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Re: Improving precision against the beat
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Re: Improving precision against the beat
With all due respect: that’s horseshit.
Playing expressively, grooving “in the pocket”, is all about control and precision.
Learning that is a lifeless and boring task, but so is sitting down and learning the melody for “Freedom Jazz Dance”.
It’s just gotta happen, because in order to play it “with feeling”, you’ve got to be able to play it at all.
Playing expressively, grooving “in the pocket”, is all about control and precision.
Learning that is a lifeless and boring task, but so is sitting down and learning the melody for “Freedom Jazz Dance”.
It’s just gotta happen, because in order to play it “with feeling”, you’ve got to be able to play it at all.
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Re: Improving precision against the beat
All I saw was a subjective evaluation of the timing precision achievable with a particular instrument, as a reflection on what the required timing resolution for listenable music is. Whether it was right or wrong, it didn't deserve that. Perhaps there was some more baggage behind that response that I didn't bother to scroll up to find. I would point out though that timing precision and tempo precision are quite different things.
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Re: Improving precision against the beat
CountFosco wrote:All I saw was a subjective evaluation of the timing precision achievable with a particular instrument, as a reflection on what the required timing resolution for listenable music is. Whether it was right or wrong, it didn't deserve that. Perhaps there was some more baggage behind that response that I didn't bother to scroll up to find. I would point out though that timing precision and tempo precision are quite different things.
Ok, not sure I understand what you wanted to say with timing precision and tempo precision are different things, could you elaborate on that? (Might be my English finesse that is the culprit on this one tough...)
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Re: Improving precision against the beat
Timing precision as in sitting off the beat or pushing ahead of the beat (without tempo change). As opposed to tempo precision, ie rubato, ritard, accel etc
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Re: Improving precision against the beat
Yes. And both of those things (playing a feel against a beat — pushing or pulling, etc. — as well as having a feel for steady tempo) can be trained by playing with a metronome (or a programmed beat or loop, I guess).
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Re: Improving precision against the beat
sweelinck wrote:analogika wrote:Yes. And both of those things (playing a feel against a beat — pushing or pulling, etc. — as well as having a feel for steady tempo) can be trained by playing with a metronome (or a programmed beat or loop, I guess).
A metronome may help develop an inner sense of rhythm, but once that is established, the metronome must be relegated to the trash heap if you want to play expressively.
I think the question of whether it is possible to play expressively to a metronome has been conclusively settled since the click-track recording discussions of the 70s.
This is music. Any absolutist argument has already lost as soon as it is made.
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Re: Improving precision against the beat
analogika wrote:This is music. Any absolutist argument has already lost as soon as it is made.
Haven't you been listening to the drummers who insist that B8 cymbals can NEVER sound as full as B20s? Or the guitarists who swear to God that solid state amps will ALWAYS sound harsh and/or dull?
It's just human nature.
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Re: Improving precision against the beat
So, you’re saying that Dire Straits is not something worth aspiring to, or that they just never advanced beyond steady timing into “expressive playing”?
And that “Strange Meadowlark” is a better piece than “Take Five”?
I’m a little confused about what your point is.
And that “Strange Meadowlark” is a better piece than “Take Five”?
I’m a little confused about what your point is.
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Re: Improving precision against the beat
Pretty cool that your first post nailed the OP's DAW latency problem though.
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