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Re: Nord in a jazz setting

Postby anotherscott » 22 Nov 2018, 14:48

Yes, this would be for playing facing the audience.
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Re: Nord in a jazz setting

Postby danrv » 25 Nov 2018, 17:25

I setup the 2 Yammies side by side on mini tripods. Unable to use them either side of me due to stage layout and musician placement.
The piano sound was rather boomy due to the speakers being close to the back wall so I engaged the HPF switch on the DXRs.
The jazz did get a little too loud for my liking and I was playing a lot of the heads due to no sax. Pianos didn’t sound great
and I ended up using the Rhodes sound more.
I think best to use one speaker and find a piano sample like the Royal Grand and hope that works better.
The one setup where my regular Silver Grand sounds great all round is with my function band. Nord is stereo though our RCF PA and I have my two DXR10s for stereo monitoring.
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Re: Nord in a jazz setting

Postby kbmatson » 27 Nov 2018, 18:56

sorry ... perplexed ...... I have been playing for over 40 years in bands from rock bands, country, piano bar, jazz trio, semi-acoustic, and more. I have NEVER played stereo though a PA system and in fact, never heard of it for live performance by a band. Many PA systems, especially smaller ones, are not even wired for stereo period. For stereo to make any sense at all, the audience would have to be largely "centered" in between the two speakers. if they're not - off to one side .. they are only going to get half of whatever your stereo source is supposed to sound like, and I assure you that this will sound much worse than mono to start with. Curious why the need for stereo?
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Re: Nord in a jazz setting

Postby dhbp-nord » 27 Nov 2018, 19:19

Not at all accurate - lot's of PA's are wired for stereo. If you're careful with your setup you can make stereo work in many rooms. We do it for every gig and no one has ever complained. Mostly we get compliments on the good sound. If 70% of the audience can hear a decent stereo image I'm all for it.

YMMV of course, but it's done all the time.

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Re: Nord in a jazz setting

Postby dhbp-nord » 27 Nov 2018, 19:28

As a followup, in a stereo situation it pays to keep the mono instruments panned in the centre - but stereo instruments (keys etc) and fx returns canned be judiciously panned left-right, the degree of course depending on size of room, speaker placement etc. There are lots of raging debates on this topic but with today's modern gear much more control and precision is possible. A fair amount of the big arena shows are running stereo (or more channels with arrays all over the venue).

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Re: Nord in a jazz setting

Postby IanzKeys » 27 Nov 2018, 20:10

As a rule of thumb, If you have a stereo source, then plug it in as stereo. Even if the FOH is 'mostly' mono, when using IEMs a stereo image is much better than mono, especially for keys and and drums.

e.g.
Depending on the setup, I'll always try to give the drummer a placement in his mix, the matches the actual placement of his kit.
If I setup mics to capture the room for the IEM mix, they are always panned L/R (ish) into the IEM mix.

Plus a lot of bands want a recording to take away, so (depending on the desk), they can take away a full raw mix - usually 24bit/96K these days. And if I'm doing the same band in a few different venues, I'll use the previous night's recording as a soundcheck, before the band even plug anything in :-)
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Re: Nord in a jazz setting

Postby kbmatson » 27 Nov 2018, 20:15

Here's the thing ... MANY people ... musicians ... get confused between bi-mono and stereo. They think if they see two PA speakers and plug into two channels panned L/R they are automatically stereo. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a keyboard player or a guitarist with their effects unit do this, believing they are stereo, only to look horrified when I explain to them that the PA speakers are not even hooked up stereo, so it doesn't matter what you do before that.

MOST powered boards / PA Heads are set-up so that one "side" is used to power two parallel mains and the other "side" is used to power two, parallel monitors. There is no stereo possible there.If you try, all you get is half your sound coming out the mains, and half out the monitors - though some of these sum it all together and everything is the same anyway. Live sound companies hired for your typical local band aren't going to run stereo either.

I could see doing it in a small, controlled environment - like a small lounge with a wide enough stage and seating all in between the speakers. I'd like to try it myself to be honest as most things - keyboards in particular - sound better in stereo, but it would take the right venue, seating, PA, and wiring.
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Re: Nord in a jazz setting

Postby danrv » 27 Nov 2018, 20:45

kbmatson wrote:Here's the thing ... MANY people ... musicians ... get confused between bi-mono and stereo. They think if they see two PA speakers and plug into two channels panned L/R they are automatically stereo. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a keyboard player or a guitarist with their effects unit do this, believing they are stereo, only to look horrified when I explain to them that the PA speakers are not even hooked up stereo, so it doesn't matter what you do before that.

MOST powered boards / PA Heads are set-up so that one "side" is used to power two parallel mains and the other "side" is used to power two, parallel monitors. There is no stereo possible there.If you try, all you get is half your sound coming out the mains, and half out the monitors - though some of these sum it all together and everything is the same anyway. Live sound companies hired for your typical local band aren't going to run stereo either.

I could see doing it in a small, controlled environment - like a small lounge with a wide enough stage and seating all in between the speakers. I'd like to try it myself to be honest as most things - keyboards in particular - sound better in stereo, but it would take the right venue, seating, PA, and wiring.


Yes, I agree there.
Another widely used PA configuration is a mixer with two powered speakers. This would be stereo by default.
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Re: Nord in a jazz setting

Postby dhbp-nord » 27 Nov 2018, 20:50

Your experience is different than mine then. I've worked with many smaller setups/techs in stereo, all with good results. No confusion here, I and most people I've ever played/worked with understand the difference between 2 x mono and actual stereo :-)

You are making too many generalizations. *Some* live sound companies *do* run in stereo for local bands. Several around here certainly do. I usually insist on it when hiring a tech, rarely met one who was not equipped for it. IMO, stereo can be done in a lot of venues and is worth the effort. IMO.

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Re: Nord in a jazz setting

Postby Bjosko » 28 Nov 2018, 00:03

I have been playing in stereo through FOH since the start of the eighties, before that on smaller mono amps.
One tip when playing stereo on FOH are to not pan your keyboard fully left/right on the mixer board. Left on 9 o’clock and right on 3 o’clock are working fine if using something that are moving alot between left and right.
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