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Re: Bought a Nord Grand

Postby FZiegler » 26 Jul 2021, 23:01

Steinway wrote:... My wife did note that the top 10 notes on most samples were slightly out of tune!!!!

I'd be very curious if she senses the tones too low or too high!

You had a Boston/Steinway grand which will certainly have been stretch-tuned, yet maybe less than an upright piano: A note an octave above the other is not exactly double the frequency as you would expect by calculating. Moreover, the diametre of the bass strings will make the first upper harmonic resonate at a slightly higher frequency than the double and so on. So, in order to get a purer sounding octave and avoid beating (interferences) if you play an octave with your fingers, the higher notes are also tuned a little big higher. In the middle range, there is so little strech that you won't hear it, but on the lower and upper end, you might notice it.

The larger the size of a grand, the slimmer you can have the bass strings if they are meant to sound good. And the slimmer the bass strings are, the less you need to stretch the tuning to compensate that effect (depending on the thickness of the chords). Which may be why concert grands are longer: They can have the better tuning.

I don't have any idea if Nord includes stretch-tuning into their (XL) piano samples. If they do, your wife should hear a discernable difference between the stretching of the upright pianos and the grands - namely the larger grands should sound "better": Grand Lady D, Concert Grand, Bösendorfer e.a. As your wife's ears may be used to stretched tuning, it would be interesting if she'd consider the upper notes too high or too low - which could be an answer to that do-they-stretch-question, if used in XL format.

I still haven't tested that as I'm not used to play on a well tuned piano - I even dislike them a bit. You might want to have a look into that conversation: nord-piano-grand-forum-f10/nord-piano-samples-out-of-tune-t7776.html?hilit=stretch%20tune#p49380
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Re: Bought a Stage 3

Postby Steinway » 27 Jul 2021, 09:54

Many thanks again FZiegler
My wife had a Steinway Essex baby grand, and then we moved to a smaller property and changed it for a Steinway Boston upright. She will study your comments when she comes away from her cello practice.
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Re: Bought a Stage 3

Postby Steinway » 30 Jul 2021, 16:53

We cannot find the Bossendorf sample on the Nord Grand. Do we have to download it?
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Re: Bought a Stage 3

Postby maxpiano » 30 Jul 2021, 16:59

Steinway wrote:We cannot find the Bossendorf sample on the Nord Grand. Do we have to download it?


Yes, download the .npno file of the desired size from Nord website then "download" into Nord Grand using Nord Sound Manager (if you don't have enough space you may use the "substitute" function and replace an existing grand with the Bosie)
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Re: Bought a Stage 3

Postby pterm » 30 Jul 2021, 17:29

Steinway wrote:We cannot find the Bossendorf sample on the Nord Grand. Do we have to download it?

Note that it's called "Imperial Grand"
https://www.nordkeyboards.com/sound-libraries/nord-piano-library/grand-piano/grand-imperial

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Re: Bought a Stage 3

Postby michael_C1 » 31 Jul 2021, 00:20

Just perusing this thread where many people helped, and it's great that your wife seems happy! I've got a Kawai ES8 which has the same piano action as your wife's Nord Grand, and I find it excellent. And there's much more flexibility of sound with the Nord.
Your wife will find that different Nord pianos have different response to dynamics, some are more, and some are less dynamic. She'll likely have fun figuring out her favorites! Cheers!
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Re: Bought a Stage 3

Postby Normhart » 18 Aug 2021, 06:18

Steinway wrote:We cannot find the Bossendorf sample on the Nord Grand. Do we have to download it?

A way to determine the original piano sampled I’ve found is to use the filenames of the sounds as a clue

Here’s my best guess as to the piano models:

White Grand: Malmsjo Grand or Steinway B
Royal Grand 3D: Yamaha S6
Velvet Grand: Bluthner Model 1
Silver Grand: Kawai S-K7
Italian Grand: Fazioli
Bright Grand: Yamaha S4
Grand Imperial: Boesendorfer
Grand Lady D: Steinway Model D
Studio Grand: Yamaha C7
Studio Grand 2: Yamaha C7
Concert Grand Close: Steinway D
Concert Grand Ambient: Steinway D
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