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Is Stage Lead or Wave 2 possible in the future?

Postby alecgargett » 19 Aug 2019, 13:05

Hi. I'm not sure if there is any point in posting advice to Nord here for future products, but I assume some people who work there read these forums?

I was on the verge of buying a Nord Stage 3, but the one thing stopping me is that I have no need for the organ section. I would love access to that powerful A1 synth and the beautiful Stage 3 sample library all on the one device (and I don't want something less than 64 keys) and I want the Triple Pedal Sostenuto function, but I can't quite justify paying the additional $1900 to get a Stage 3 and the optional Triple Pedal, just for the synth, instead of the Piano 4 where the Triple Pedal is included.

Here's the thing though. I'm sure it's not just me. There are some people who really want that organ, and it's great that Nord keep producing products for them, but I think there are also a lot of people like me who would be more likely to fork out the extra $1900 or thereabouts if there were something like the Stage 3 but with organ section replaced with other features that are more useful to the average arranger/keyboardist/synthesist who don't need anything more than organ samples in the piano section.

Edit 3: OK Now I just want a Nord Wave 2, preferably with all the features of the Stage apart from the organ section, including triple pedal functionality.
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Re: Advice to Nord for Nord Stage 4 or new Nord Workstation

Postby gg2212 » 19 Aug 2019, 22:56

I think organ section in the Stage is one of the main reasons people buy them, as their sample library is far from beautiful, it's actually pretty basic. From what you're describing - (sequencer pads) - the Stage is not the right product for you, and there are many products on the market with pads, and really good sample libraries (but without the organ section).

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Re: Advice to Nord for Nord Stage 4 or new Nord Workstation

Postby LeftyBass68 » 20 Aug 2019, 00:17

As an old school player I'm very satisfied with the Stage 3.If I was thirty years younger I'd have an Arturia 88 controller and use plug ins etc. and bigger screens.No need for a large screen.
Organ menu on Electro and C2D is bigger than Stage. Have played many pianos and am happy with the Nord pianos. Synth on the Stage has a smaller menu than Lead series.
My 2001 Roland XV3080 sounds as good or better as a sample player.Nothing new here.More hardware I don't need to drag around though,Stage 3 will get it done.
This is not to say some older players haven't gone all in with Mainstage and a laptop etc......I just prefer real time controls and a single work surface.
Button,dials,silkscreening are always welcome. Though the display on a Korg Kronos is beautiful......and it does have pads too? For sequencing,trigger pads I'd be looking elsewhere too.
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Re: Advice to Nord for Nord Stage 4 or new Nord Workstation

Postby Spider » 20 Aug 2019, 00:22

Given that Clavia never produced a workstation, arranger or MIDI controller... I think you may have to wait for a long time ;)

Or maybe yours is not a suggestion but a wish, indicating that Nords are probably simply the wrong keyboards for your needs.


The powerful organ section is actually one of Nord's main selling points, given that B3 emulation was never the strongest point of Roland, Korg and Yamaha.
I don't see Clavia abandoning that advantage point to enter the workstation arena (not to mention the arranger segment), where the competition has much more experience, credibility and power.
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Re: Advice to Nord for Nord Stage 4 or new Nord Workstation

Postby Falcon2e » 20 Aug 2019, 01:52

gg2212 wrote:I think organ section in the Stage is one of the main reasons people buy them, as their sample library is far from beautiful, it's actually pretty basic. From what you're describing - (sequencer pads) - the Stage is not the right product for you, and there are many products on the market with pads, and really good sample libraries (but without the organ section).


+1 The organ sound was the primary reason I bought my Stage 2. Having said that, I realize we all have different likes and needs, I understand that.
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Re: Advice to Nord for Nord Stage 4 or new Nord Workstation

Postby alecgargett » 20 Aug 2019, 07:46

gg2212 wrote:I think organ section in the Stage is one of the main reasons people buy them.


Yes, I know. I did say that! But Nord putting out a workstation isn't going to stop anyone buying a stage with an organ. I'm not suggesting Nord stop making Stages with organs. I suggesting they also make something like the stage with pads.

gg2212 wrote:as their sample library is far from beautiful, it's actually pretty basic.


Not true. There is a reason Nord sell plenty of the expensive Nord Pianos that have only samples and no organ sections.

gg2212 wrote:there are many products on the market with pads, and really good sample libraries (but without the organ section).


I disagree. None of the products I've seen with pads have the same quality of sample library or controls, but feel free to link me to some evidence of a piano with a better sample library and equally immediate controls, that also has pads, plus a synthesiser that is just as powerful and immediate as the A1 on the Stage 3.
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Re: Advice to Nord for Nord Stage 4 or new Nord Workstation

Postby alecgargett » 20 Aug 2019, 07:48

Spider wrote:Given that Clavia never produced a workstation, arranger or MIDI controller... I think you may have to wait for a long time ;)

Or maybe yours is not a suggestion but a wish, indicating that Nords are probably simply the wrong keyboards for your needs.



No, it's a suggestion. I don't really see your point. Apple had never produced a smart phone, until they did. Any company that wants to survive has to keep creating new products and innovating. That's how business works. And it doesn't mean they have to stop producing the old products that many people like.
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Re: Advice to Nord for Nord Stage 4 or new Nord Workstation

Postby alecgargett » 20 Aug 2019, 07:51

alecgargett wrote:There are some people who really want that organ, and it's great that Nord keep producing products for them"


Just quoting myself in case anyone missed it ;)
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Re: Advice to Nord for Nord Stage 4 or new Nord Workstation

Postby Spider » 20 Aug 2019, 10:07

alecgargett wrote:
No, it's a suggestion. I don't really see your point.


Sorry if I sounded snarky, wasn't my intention.
It's just that Clavia is not SO innovative in my view: they basically only ever produced virtual analog synths and stage pianos, mixing and matching their various sound engines in different combinations. It's true that they did it in a very unique way, which gave them a unique position in the market.

When they tried something radically different (Nord Modular) it was abandoned.
I think the main reason is lack of resources. Clavia is a SMALL company, less than 40 people. I think managing such a complex product as a full workstation, while keeping a whole range of synths and stage pianos requires more than that, especially on the software side.
We've already seen what happened with their most complex product to date, the Stage3, which required almost 2 years to iron out most of the bugs.

Of course nobody knows what they'll do in the future, it's true that some things can be outsourced and recently they've been smart to collaborate with other companies to provide new products or solutions they couldn't design in house (Nord Monitors, Kawai action for the Nord Grand).
So...we'll see. It would be a radical departure from their past and current market, but I'll be happy to be proved wrong.
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Re: Advice to Nord for Nord Stage 4 or new Nord Workstation

Postby Klondyke77 » 23 Aug 2019, 12:32

LewTheKeysGuy wrote:[..]I'm a church organist. As such, I was disappointed by the "Pipe Organ" models as they do not in any way represent a pipe organ and with this, you cannot change volumes of stops on a pipe organ unless they are in swell divisions. therefore organ stops are on / off like the farfisa principle. The way to fix this issue is to take the entire C2d's pipe organ which is sample based and import it into the organ module of the stage, then allow grouping, etc so that great and swell could be utilised, then preset (general pistons) could be used. [..]

I'm disappointed too about the "Pipe Organ" as I'm also a playing church organ.
I would at least appreciate a few more pipe organ samples for the synth section. I think they could be easily derived from the C2D samples.
Actually it's a good compromise for me to combine one or two pipe flutes (samples) with the Pipe Organ in the Organ section.
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