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Re: Is a Nord Stage Lead possible?
On second thought, I think the best option would be to add a new product called something like the "Nord Stage Lead" which would have an expanded synth section instead of the organ section to include all of the controls or most of the controls that are found on the Nord Lead.
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Re: Is a Nord Stage Lead possible in the future?
Well, basically Clavia uses 3 sound engines: piano, organ and synth/sampler. You can make all possible combinations and permutations and make a dedicated product for each one.
For example, I've seen people ask for a Stage without the piano engine, with only organ and synth/samples. That would make the best use of the non-weighted keybed, and be a great upper keyboard in a two-instrument rig (weighted piano below, non-weighted organ-synth above).
I think piano+synth may be a little awkward because the piano engine would surely require a fully weighted keybed, which is not ideal for synth. But then again, we are not in the heads of Clavia's developers. Only time will tell.
For example, I've seen people ask for a Stage without the piano engine, with only organ and synth/samples. That would make the best use of the non-weighted keybed, and be a great upper keyboard in a two-instrument rig (weighted piano below, non-weighted organ-synth above).
I think piano+synth may be a little awkward because the piano engine would surely require a fully weighted keybed, which is not ideal for synth. But then again, we are not in the heads of Clavia's developers. Only time will tell.
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Re: Is a Nord Stage Lead possible in the future?
Spider wrote:Well, basically Clavia uses 3 sound engines: piano, organ and synth/sampler.
Call it 4 by separating synth and samples? The Lead has a VA synth but no samples, the Electro has samples but no synth.
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Re: Is a Nord Stage Lead possible in the future?
CountFosco wrote:Spider wrote:Well, basically Clavia uses 3 sound engines: piano, organ and synth/sampler.
Call it 4 by separating synth and samples? The Lead has a VA synth but no samples, the Electro has samples but no synth.
Yes that's probably more accurate: the only Clavia synth to ever have both was the Nord Wave, from which the Stage 2 synth section was derived, from which the A1 was derived, from which the Stage 3 synth was derived... definitely the guys at Clavia like to keep their heritage going!
So if we count those 4 engines (sorry, Nord Drum ), we have:
- Nord Stage = Piano + Organ + Synth + Samples
- Nord Electro = Piano + Organ + Samples
- Nord Piano/Grand = Piano + Samples
- C2D = Organ
- Leads = Synth
The missing combos are:
- Piano only (unlikely, so many stage pianos already in the product portfolio, and how much better and more specialized than the Grand can they get?)
- Samples only (definitely unlikely, it's never been Clavia's main focus, unless they finally develop a more advanced multilayer sample engine)
- Piano-organ without synth or samples? Organ-Samples with no Piano? It would be a mutilated Electro.
So yeah, Organ-Synth-Samples or Piano-Synth-Samples would make sense as alternatives to the Electros. Still, how many variants of their basic stage piano models can they put out and still be profitable without cannibalizing their own market?
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Re: Is a Nord Stage Lead possible in the future?
the only Clavia synth to ever have both was the Nord Wave
Indeed, the NW was an innovative instrument and it's a pity they didn't develop it further. The fact that they are quite rare (and expensive) in the second hand market proves that they can still do the job very well and their owners do not want to give them away. However a new Nord Wave with full synth capabilities like the leads + layers and splits + larger keyboard (61 keys) would be very welcome by a lot of clavia's customers (and others) in my opinion. If they dropped in an organ engine too it would be a killer (reducing the electro demand however)...We only have to wait and see as it is already 6 years since the Lead 4 came out and a new synth must be on the way.
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Re: Is a Nord Stage Lead possible in the future?
Spider wrote: I think piano+synth may be a little awkward because the piano engine would surely require a fully weighted keybed, which is not ideal for synth.
I'm sure there are many people who agree with you and don't want fully weighted keys when playing synth/organ, but just as the Stage has 2 fully-weighted versions and the waterfall action Stage Compact to chose from and people buy all three, a Nord Stage Lead could also have weighted and unweighted options and I'm sure people would buy both. Some of those people will otherwise spend less money or no money on Nord products.
Spider wrote:I've seen people ask for a Stage without the piano engine, with only organ and synth/samples. That would make the best use of the non-weighted keybed, and be a great upper keyboard in a two-instrument rig (weighted piano below, non-weighted organ-synth above).
I can see what you are getting at, but the piano engine doesn't take up much extra space once you have the organ, samples and synth, so creating something that is basically the Stage Compact but without the piano engine wouldn't make much extra room for more synth controls. The organ section takes up a LOT of space, which is worth it for a very specialized group of players, but not as attractive for everyone else who would rather have more synth controls. Creating something without the piano section or without the other sample section on the other hand removes a lot of functionality that most keyboardists want without creating much extra space for more synth controls. That's why Piano + Other Samples + Lead would be profitable and most of those other combinations would not be.
However, your comment about people who don't need the pianos does remind me of another idea that is viable. It would be useful to many people to be able to access all of the sample library (including the pianos, but not just the pianos) from each section. It seems odd to me that one section is just pianos and the other section is all the other samples. I don't understand why you couldn't or wouldn't design it to access the whole sample library from both sections. When they make the next Nord Piano, for example, why not rename the sections called Piano and Synth/Samples as Instrument 1 and Instrument 2 and allow any combination of instruments and synth samples from the library? On the next Stage or Stage Lead, the Piano section could be renamed as "Sample Instrument" and the Synth section "Synth/Samples".
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Re: Is a Nord Stage Lead possible?
alecgargett wrote: "Nord Stage Lead" which would have an expanded synth section instead of the organ section to include all of the controls or most of the controls that are found on the Nord Lead.
Exactly what I would like too. I Think it's a market for that!
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Re: Is a Nord Stage Lead possible in the future?
Hi Folks,
so, we are all talking about and waiting for the NORD WAVE 2!!!
Cheers
Helmuth
so, we are all talking about and waiting for the NORD WAVE 2!!!
Cheers
Helmuth
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Re: Is a Nord Stage Lead possible in the future?
alecgargett wrote: I don't understand why you couldn't or wouldn't design it to access the whole sample library from both sections.
Of course it *can* be done, but it is also a business, and I guess Clavia would be competing with themselves... selling a cheaper instrument when they can sell a Stage instead: Just do not switch the organ section!
I also wonder it there is such a big market for more "in between" versions of their instruments, except a new version of the Wave, of course.
I have been wrong before, though...
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Re: Is a Nord Stage Lead possible in the future?
Klangwerk wrote:so, we are all talking about and waiting for the NORD WAVE 2!!!
Helmuth
Not exactly. Yes, a Nord Stage Lead would have most if not all of the functions of the Nord Wave, but it would also have all of the functions of the Nord Stage 3 except for the organ section.
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