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IEM transmitter system and/or Mixer needed for own use only?

Postby Winds » 10 Sep 2022, 03:49

So I'm still trying to work out about getting IEM's. I understand that there are also IEM transmitter systems out there.. I've been trying to search online but can't really find the answer to my question so now some of my questions are:

  1. Do you need an IEM system transmitter and a mixer together?
  2. What is an IEM system transmitter for actually?
  3. Isn't it possible to just use IEM's and a mixer only?
  4. When does the IEM system transmitter become necessary?
I should probably add that I would be using an IEM just for myself... I can understand the value in getting a transmitter if it would be used by the other band members.. but can't I just get away with using a mixer and having the IEM connected directly to the mixer as well?

Sorry if this sounds like a very basic question, I'm still beginning to dive into the world of IEM's...
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Re: IEM transmitter system and/or Mixer needed for own use o

Postby FZiegler » 10 Sep 2022, 08:40

Of course, you need an IEM wireless transmitter system if you want/need a wireless link. You won't need it if it's OK for you to be wired. Two other things such a transmitter system provides can be obtained by a wired IEM body pack: headphones amplification and a control unit for volume and balance (fine, if you have yourself on one ear and the rest of the band on the other) directly at your body. If the headphones-out of your mixer has enought power for a decent volume needs to be checked - probably depends on your in-ears and their impedance (easier if it's low). I do use the approach no. (3) and it works for me. But of course, then you'll need a place for your monitor mixer in proximity.
I use a mixer that has a main mix plus an independent monitor mix in order to mix the band into my monitor signal; but of course, there are other ways and places to split the signal into two. You may get your monitor signal at the end of the chain directly from FoH or use a DI box directly after your instrument to draw your signal into a simple mixer.

If you are the only one to use IEM, you'll probably not be able to use a digital monitor mixer like a Presonus EarMix 16M, Behringer Powerplay P16-M Personal Mixer or Midas DP48 which get digitally provided with 16 to 48 signals for a fully independent IEM mix -- depends on a digital main mixer with a matching system.
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Re: IEM transmitter system and/or Mixer needed for own use o

Postby Winds » 10 Sep 2022, 09:52

FZiegler wrote:Of course, you need an IEM wireless transmitter system if you want/need a wireless link. You won't need it if it's OK for you to be wired.


Exactly! I figure since as a keyboardist and I won't be moving around much I really don't see the need to establish a wireless link. I imagine I'll mostly be concerned in my playing area and I don't see the need to walk around a venue as I'll have the FOH engineer to take care of sound.

FZiegler wrote:I do use the approach no. (3) and it works for me. But of course, then you'll need a place for your monitor mixer in proximity.


I figured the proximity part could be a problem so to prevent that from happening I thought I will get a digital mixer instead. So proximity shouldn't be much of an issue with a digital mixer as long as I can establish a wireless link to it.

FZiegler wrote:I use a mixer that has a main mix plus an independent monitor mix in order to mix the band into my monitor signal; but of course, there are other ways and places to split the signal into two. You may get your monitor signal at the end of the chain directly from FoH or use a DI box directly after your instrument to draw your signal into a simple mixer.

If you are the only one to use IEM, you'll probably not be able to use a digital monitor mixer like a Presonus EarMix 16M, Behringer Powerplay P16-M Personal Mixer or Midas DP48 which get digitally provided with 16 to 48 signals for a fully independent IEM mix -- depends on a digital main mixer with a matching system.


Thanks for the tips. For the last part mean do you mean to say there shouldn't be a need for, or literally I cannot use a digital monitor mixer?.. Do you mean to say with those digital monitor mixers it requires other members to use IEM as well??
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Re: IEM transmitter system and/or Mixer needed for own use o

Postby analogika » 10 Sep 2022, 10:27

IEM is just another monitor channel, as far as mixing is concerned. Whatever is currently supplying your monitor mixes can just continue to do so when one or all parties switch to IE.

Note that while it’s pretty „okay“ to have several members share the same wedge monitor mix if you have limited monitor channels, sharing the same mix across a wedge and in-ear is probably not going to work well, because of noise isolation and much less need for equalisation or feedback control in In-ears.

Going wired is not much of an issue for drummers and keyboardists, since we’re not usually as mobile as other musicians.

I used a Fischer Amps headphone clip-on before I switched to my Shure wireless system. If you can, go stereo - it’s much nicer (but it does require an extra channel on the monitor mixer, naturally).
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Re: IEM transmitter system and/or Mixer needed for own use o

Postby FZiegler » 10 Sep 2022, 12:42

Winds wrote:Thanks for the tips. For the last part mean do you mean to say there shouldn't be a need for, or literally I cannot use a digital monitor mixer?.. Do you mean to say with those digital monitor mixers it requires other members to use IEM as well??

A usual digital mixer will have the normal analogue inputs you need to plug your sources to. The quoted monitor mixers don't, so you need the sources as digital data stream - and there are different standards. No idea what your exact situation is: Does the band have its own main mixer? Is it digital? Does it provide some audio network standard as output? If not, you can forget about the second type of dedicated digital monitor mixer.

But as analogika explicated, you may be able to get a dedicated monitor mix from FoH - and you don't need a monitor mixer any more, just a little monitor body pack / stick. I'm a bit puzzled about your questions as you already seemed to be involved in IEMs recently:
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Re: IEM transmitter system and/or Mixer needed for own use o

Postby Winds » 10 Sep 2022, 14:04

FZiegler wrote:A usual digital mixer will have the normal analogue inputs you need to plug your sources to. The quoted monitor mixers don't, so you need the sources as digital data stream - and there are different standards. No idea what your exact situation is: Does the band have its own main mixer? Is it digital? Does it provide some audio network standard as output? If not, you can forget about the second type of dedicated digital monitor mixer.


Ok I think I understand this part. I'll consult again with my FOH engineer and see which would be suitable.

FZiegler wrote:But as analogika explicated, you may be able to get a dedicated monitor mix from FoH - and you don't need a monitor mixer any more, just a little monitor body pack / stick. I'm a bit puzzled about your questions as you already seemed to be involved in IEMs recently:
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I think I'm still more keen on getting a mixer for myself though. I feel sometimes it can be tricky to get exactly what I want.. so I can tell the FOH engineer what I in general, and if needed I'll use the mix to tweak a bit to fully get what I want.

You're not wrong.. sorry I figured since it's a slightly different query I thought a new thread would be more suitable. Sorry if that was not the appropriate approach...
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Re: IEM transmitter system and/or Mixer needed for own use o

Postby FZiegler » 10 Sep 2022, 15:30

No problem about the new thread. I mentioned it because I had the feeling we start to get back to old topics + info for all those who have the same question and want the full package of information.

Wanting your own mix is probably what everyone would want. But this is not as easy as this. There may be about 5~10 channels for the drums alone. So would you want to select base drum, snare, hihat and the rest on your own or not? Do you want a grouped drums channel? Where do you get those signals from? If you really have a FoH engineer, I'd talk to him - for two reasons: he may help you find a way and he may want to be involved in your solution.
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Re: IEM transmitter system and/or Mixer needed for own use o

Postby Winds » 11 Sep 2022, 02:46

FZiegler wrote:Wanting your own mix is probably what everyone would want. But this is not as easy as this. There may be about 5~10 channels for the drums alone. So would you want to select base drum, snare, hihat and the rest on your own or not? Do you want a grouped drums channel? Where do you get those signals from? If you really have a FoH engineer, I'd talk to him - for two reasons: he may help you find a way and he may want to be involved in your solution.


You're right. I'm gonna meet up with my FOH engineer again prolly next week. Will discuss again with him thanks all for the advice and tips/suggestions!
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Re: IEM transmitter system and/or Mixer needed for own use o

Postby analogika » 14 Sep 2022, 15:29

The bands I play with that use IEM have a dedicated digital monitor mixer onstage that also works as a splitter box.

So the mics and DI signals go into the monitor mixer, and get split out from there and sent to front of house.

One of the bands uses a Behringer X32, the other some Allen & Heath DLive, and another outfit I played with used a Qu-Pac.

The advantage here is that each of those mixers has its own controller app for iPad, iPhone or Android, which lets you adjust your own levels in your own mix. Plus, the monitor setups can be saved as presets.

In one band, the drums, audience mics, and vocals are mic’s (fixed setups mounted on risers), guitars, bass, keys, and click tracks are all DI. Once everything is wired up, my monitor mix is already done. I switch on the pack and play.

FWIW, the Behringer app is a lot easier than the DLive. I’m a studio engineer as part of my job, and building a mix in the DLive app is not something I want to do in a gig environment. I understand it; it’s just way too convoluted to be practical IMO.
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Re: IEM transmitter system and/or Mixer needed for own use o

Postby Winds » 15 Sep 2022, 05:15

analogika wrote:The bands I play with that use IEM have a dedicated digital monitor mixer onstage that also works as a splitter box.

So the mics and DI signals go into the monitor mixer, and get split out from there and sent to front of house.

One of the bands uses a Behringer X32, the other some Allen & Heath DLive, and another outfit I played with used a Qu-Pac.

The advantage here is that each of those mixers has its own controller app for iPad, iPhone or Android, which lets you adjust your own levels in your own mix. Plus, the monitor setups can be saved as presets.

In one band, the drums, audience mics, and vocals are mic’s (fixed setups mounted on risers), guitars, bass, keys, and click tracks are all DI. Once everything is wired up, my monitor mix is already done. I switch on the pack and play.

FWIW, the Behringer app is a lot easier than the DLive. I’m a studio engineer as part of my job, and building a mix in the DLive app is not something I want to do in a gig environment. I understand it; it’s just way too convoluted to be practical IMO.


Hace you tried using Soundcraft's digital mixer?
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