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Re: Gear Alert: new QSC K8.2

Postby catosim » 22 Mar 2020, 17:57

The Bose L1 is a clever product, very light-weighted and nice-sounding.
There's two things I'm not happy with:
1. The Nord sounds much better with stereo-spread -> not possible with the Bose-system.
2. I find that the Bose only push the audio max 20 m before the curve drops and the sound kind of disappear.
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Re: Gear Alert: new QSC K8.2

Postby PScooter63 » 22 Mar 2020, 23:59

catosim wrote:2. I find that the Bose only push the audio max 20 m before the curve drops and the sound kind of disappear.

I can attest to this, even running a stereo pair.

We were in a large ballroom space (wedding reception), and on our break, the client wanted some current pop/hip-hop stuff to dance to. As I walked back from the stage, the volume held up great (that is to say, so loud you'd have to shout at your neighbor), until about the distance catosim mentioned.

There was a sudden rapid drop (happened within about five steps), and while the quality of the sound held up, you could suddenly talk to your neighbor in a normal speaking volume, from there to the back wall (another 10-12m).

The dance floor only extended 10m max from the front of the stage, so it wasn't an issue for the dancers, or those strongly interested in joining in.
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Re: Gear Alert: new QSC K8.2

Postby cphollis » 23 Mar 2020, 01:52

I use my Bose L1s very selectively. When I play in an acoustic trio, it does well with small, intimate settings, e.g. the L1 Compact. The L1 model 1s gets used in the music house as a room monitor. The L1 Model II is more of a good thing, but not for playing in louder situations.

They are nice products (especially when you buy them used), but the new generation of micro-line-array unit will do better when there's a need for more SPL and sonic energy.
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Re: Gear Alert: new QSC K8.2

Postby catosim » 23 Mar 2020, 10:21

cphollis wrote:I use my Bose L1s very selectively. When I play in an acoustic trio, it does well with small, intimate settings, e.g. the L1 Compact. The L1 model 1s gets used in the music house as a room monitor. The L1 Model II is more of a good thing, but not for playing in louder situations.


Exactly :thumbup: Different gear for different situations.
The Bose is a very nice set-up, but maybe not for larger venues.
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Re: Gear Alert: new QSC K8.2

Postby uro-frank » 26 May 2020, 11:33

I am thinking about buying a pair of QSC Kx.2 for my Nordstage 2 EX 88. But I am not sure, if I should prefer the 8.2's or the 10.2's.

The usage shall be:

Getting the best sound for E-Pianos of the Nordstage, because theses are a littble bit complicatetd to sound good.
Using it as "PA" in my sessionroom, to hear the Nordstage, playbacks from the laptop and singing with micro, with a Yamaha MG12XU mixer
Using it as floor wedge when beiing "on stage" (smaller venues)
I own a RCF Evox 8 as PA for smaller stages with the whole band (drums, bass, guitar, keyboard, singers)

I did read a lot about this theme and in the moment it would be possible to buy both pairs only 1/2 year old, so I have to decide, 8.2 or 10.2, What do you think?
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Re: Gear Alert: new QSC K8.2

Postby cphollis » 27 May 2020, 02:25

If it were me playing e-pianos, and if I were offered a pair of K8.2s and K10.2s for the exact same price, I would always choose the K8.2s.

Here's why?

- More accurate transient response in the K8.2s due to smaller cone size.
- Plenty of bass and character thanks to amp sims on the Stage 3. Love the EQ buttons, just saying ...
- Smaller, lighter and wider dispersion, They are quite amazing for me.

I have a stupid collection of PA gear for keys. The K8.2s give me sonic joy in a wide range of situations. Of course, you could always splurge on something sick, like RCF TT08-a units.
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Re: Gear Alert: new QSC K8.2

Postby uro-frank » 27 May 2020, 10:04

cphollis wrote:If it were me playing e-pianos, and if I were offered a pair of K8.2s and K10.2s for the exact same price, I would always choose the K8.2s.

Here's why?

- More accurate transient response in the K8.2s due to smaller cone size.
- Plenty of bass and character thanks to amp sims on the Stage 3. Love the EQ buttons, just saying ...
- Smaller, lighter and wider dispersion, They are quite amazing for me.

I have a stupid collection of PA gear for keys. The K8.2s give me sonic joy in a wide range of situations. Of course, you could always splurge on something sick, like RCF TT08-a units.


Hi there, until reading all your recommendations, yesterday I did buy a pair of QSC K8.2, 3 month old, with bags for 900.-€. So I think that was a good deal and I am looking forward to have them with my Nordstage! Could You have a look to this thread also please... https://www.norduserforum.com/post131196.html#p131196, so I move the next answers to that thread, because of "double posting" otherwise :D
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Re: Gear Alert: new QSC K8.2

Postby uro-frank » 31 May 2020, 20:45

I did read multiple times in this thread about positioning two K8.2 in the back of the player. Doesn't this create a lot of feedbacks or problems with bluring the vocal channel, when the keyboarder is singing also because of the direction of the speakers directly into the mic's??? I have a Sennheiser E 945, a supercardioid micro for the stage and an Audio-Technica AT 2010 condenser mic with cardioid charakteristik for at home. Especially for the Senheiser the boxes should stand right an left of the center in front of the mic like a classical monitor box, I would say.

And another question, for stereo using of the Nordstage 2. If I route it to Out 1&2, which is the upper part of the keyboard (Out 1?) and which is the bass part (Out 2?)? It is not easy to hear, but must be observed, when I place it in front or back of the player...

And perhaps anybody could still answer my question in this thread https://www.norduserforum.com/post131196.html#p131196? Here mostly was spoken about the outstanding sound of the acoustic pianos with K8.2, but what about E-pianos, the MK I to V, Wurlitzer and so on. Also as perfect with the K8.2? And if you don't have the NS 3 with the new sound-presets for e-pianos, how get it close with the NS2? Or is this impossible?
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Re: Gear Alert: new QSC K8.2

Postby cphollis » 31 May 2020, 23:06

Hi uro-frank:

1. Yes, if you sing and play, putting the monitors behind you may not be ideal. However, if you can avoid the cardiod / supercardiod "sweet spot" on your microphone, I bet you could push some significant volume before experiencing feedback. There are also "tight" microphones that drummers use that reject any sound just a few inches from the microphone. They can be difficult to sing into as the singer must hold a precise position.

2. The default routing for 1 and 2 is stereo L/R for every instrument. If you go to page 42 of the Nord Stage 2 EX manual, you'll notice that you can reroute different instruments which may get you close to what you want.

https://www.nordkeyboards.com/sites/default/files/files/downloads/manuals/nord-stage-2-ex/Nord%20Stage%202%20EX%20English%20User%20Manual%20v2.X%20Edition%20B.pdf

3. The reason that no one has talked about amplifying EPs through the QSC K8.2 is that amplifying EPs isn't particular challenging. Properly amplifying APs is much more challenging. Get the APs right, everything else naturally follows. EPs through K8.2s are just fine. As are horns, strings, synths, etc.

4. I haven't tried getting the dyno EP EQ curves just using the equalizer. Not sure if you'll be able to come close, but it's worth a try.

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Re: Gear Alert: new QSC K8.2

Postby uro-frank » 01 Jun 2020, 11:27

cphollis wrote:Hi uro-frank:
2. The default routing for 1 and 2 is stereo L/R for every instrument. If you go to page 42 of the Nord Stage 2 EX manual, you'll notice that you can reroute different instruments which may get you close to what you want.

https://www.nordkeyboards.com/sites/default/files/files/downloads/manuals/nord-stage-2-ex/Nord%20Stage%202%20EX%20English%20User%20Manual%20v2.X%20Edition%20B.pdf

3. The reason that no one has talked about amplifying EPs through the QSC K8.2 is that amplifying EPs isn't particular challenging. Properly amplifying APs is much more challenging. Get the APs right, everything else naturally follows. EPs through K8.2s are just fine. As are horns, strings, synths, etc.

4. I haven't tried getting the dyno EP EQ curves just using the equalizer. Not sure if you'll be able to come close, but it's worth a try.

Best of luck!

Hi and thanks a lot for answers...

To point 2... The possibilites of routing are not the problem, I know how to use... the question or my feeling is: Standard-routing 1 and 2 stereo means, that the keyboard range from lowest to highest note is a little bit panned to channel out 1 and 2. So the lower notes come at best more from left and the higher notes more from right, if boxes are in front of you. This effect is not very strong but I think it is slightly audible. I found out, that channel 1 out should be the left part (lower section of the keyboard) and channel 2 out the upper part. This is only a nuance in balance panning, and I believed to hear it with the maximum sampled grandpianos.

To point 3... Hmmm, I never had big problems with the acoustic piano sounds (mostly White grand XL grandpiano) or organ B3. For me, they sound very well with little EQ-ing on different PA (audio)-systems (I used Yamaha HS 8 and Flexsys 12FM with mixer Yamaha MG12XU and RCF Evox 8 with Allen&Heath QU16 until now). But the electric pianos sound like "wet towel", very dull and I have to EQ extremely to get a better and a little bit brilliant sound. That was the reason for thinking about the QSC 8.2 (I will get it next wednesday, then test it and I will report...)

To point 4... Thats really a pitty, that knobody knows the changes, which are made with the new dyno EP filters of the NS3 (company secret?). I think a lot of player still own the NS2 (I have two of them, one for home, for practicing and sound-creating and saving this to the presets. These presets I copy to the second NS in the bandroom to have the same sounds there). But there must be these persons with the "older" NS2's who played EP's also and had good enough sound settings?

So have a nice holiday today: Pentecost monday :D, we have sun and it's pretty warm in middle europe, so I will go out today and in the evening again working on the "best sound of e-pianos :lol: . And perhaps everything is fine from wednesday, when I get these tremendous QSC K8.2 :keyboard2:
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