Nord User Forum

[Nordi]

Hi together
I thought i solve my problem, but i did not. Now i am komplett konfused!
i use a Nord Stage EX and a Roland Juno. The Nord is the Masterkeyboard. The Midiconnection is from Nord (midi out) to Roland (Midi in) an everything works fine. Normaly i play for example Pianosound on The Nord and via Midi Strings on Roland.
But now i need for one Song a sound in a different way. I want to do a programmchange via Midi from Nord for the Roland (that works fine) but now the Notes shall not be play at the same time. For example i want to play Piano on the Nord and Organ on the Roland. But if i change again the Program both Synthies shall play again from the same Keyboard. How can i do this?
I hope i have explain my Problem in the right way.
Cheers - Nordi

[FunKey]

I think you will have to use the Extern section on the Nord Stage. Turn off Global MIDI in the MIDI menu, and activate the Extern section in every Nord Stage program instead. You will need to select the program change number in the Extern section separately for each Nord Stage program. In the programs where you don't want to send any notes, hit Shift + KB Zone Select in the Extern section. (This works on the Stage 2, at least.)

[mjbrands]

As far as I know, the settings for the Extern section are stored in the programs on the Stage, not the global settings. So if you set it up like FunKey says, I think you can have the Extern section send a MIDI program change message to the Roland every time you switch to a different program on the Stage. That sounds like a solution.

[Nordi]

Hi all
yesterday i tryed again - sorry, but in the Midi Menue is no "midi-Global". This is only in the extern part. But it did not work as i want. maybe i am stupid

[Johannes]

Indeed that is NS2 only. But there IS an option to choose whether your EXTERNAL settings should be separate per Program or Global for all programs.
I think both settings will work for you.
As for your original question I am not sure I understand 100% what you want exactly. But if you set the MIDI channel of the EXTERN section correctly and the Prog Change MSB and LSB settings it should work. PLUS, if you DON't want to have the Sound play, double press the Section ON/OFF button to disable that Note Messages are transferred while you still can control the Program Change using the pot.

[Nordi]

Hi Johannes
I try to explain again - the Nord is the Masterkeyboard, the Roland Juno the slave. Everything i want to do, works very fine. So i can send Programchange, volume and so on.
Ok, most of the times i play on the keyboard from the nord and both instruments play the sound i want. But sometimes i want to have for example Piano on the Nord and organ on the roland. But i do not want now that the Roland plays his sounds when i play on the keyboard of the Nord. The Roland shall play now, when i use his own keyboard.

[mjbrands]

But i do not want now that the Roland plays his sounds when i play on the keyboard of the Nord.

Are you using the Extern section to send MIDI to the Roland? If not, it would probably be a good time to start using the Extern section, since it is much more flexible.

You can send MIDI data from the Nord in two ways: via the 'global' channel (can be turned off in the MIDI menu) or via the Extern section. Apart from being more flexible, you can use the Extern section just like the piano, organ and synth so you can use it in splits or turn it off.

Chapter 10 of the manual goes into the Extern section in more detail (page 70 also has a list of all options of the Extern menu). It describes how to set a MIDI channel for the Extern section in panel A and B; I don't know if the Juno is multi-timbral (you don't mention a number, so I assume it is one of the newer workstation-type keyboards), but if it is you could set up your keyboards so the Extern section of panel A goes to one instrument on the Juno and the Extern section of panel B to a second (different) instrument on the Juno.

I suggest the following:
- set the two Extern sections to their own MIDI channel and make sure you don't use one of the channels configured for 'MIDI Panel A/B Channel' (see the MIDI menu on page 68)
- change the MIDI channel on your Juno to match with the one you selected for Extern section panel A

You can easily revert back to your current situation by setting the MIDI channel back to what you have it at now.

[anotherscott]

If I understand correctly, the short version of this answer is:

... if you want the Roland to play EVERY time you play the Nord, you can just run MIDI OUT of Nord to MIDI IN of Roland

... if you want the Roland to only play SOME of the times you play the Nord, then besides running that cable, you need to set the Roland to a specific MIDI channel, and use the Nord's EXT functions to enable sending on that channel on those presets where you want it to happen, and to not enable it on those patches where you do not want it to happen.

[mjbrands]

The channel on which the Nord is sending and on which the Juno is expecting MIDI (unless it has some kind of 'omni' setting, so listen to any channel) must still match; it doesn't matter whether the MIDI is sent by the Extern section or the 'global' channel (that is a Nord Stage 2 term of course, the original Stage seems to call this 'MIDI Panel A/B Channel').

But I'm just nitpicking here.

[anotherscott]

The channel on which the Nord is sending and on which the Juno is expecting MIDI (unless it has some kind of 'omni' setting, so listen to any channel) must still match; it doesn't matter whether the MIDI is sent by the Extern section or the 'global' channel (that is a Nord Stage 2 term of course, the original Stage seems to call this 'MIDI Panel A/B Channel').

But I'm just nitpicking here.

Right. As I said, " you need to set the Roland to a specific MIDI channel, and use the Nord's EXT functions to enable sending on that channel" -- so yes, they do have to match, and you do need to make sure your operations are channel-specific rather than global.