Is a very simple tow cuestions, I have a sounds in plugin of juno 106 that i use with ableton and i want to play it with the nord stage for live uses. So i can use the Nord Stage external seccion to connect to my macbook via usb to controll this pluguin ( i never did it before) or to sampler a wav sound of this juno plugin and send to the nord via nord sampler editor to the sampler sound and assign the full keyboard. the sound that i want to use is very ambient "long" sound, with the attack very low.
First cuestion... What do you think is better?
For me is moore easy to use the nord as a sampler but i don´t know if i´m goint to loose cuality sound and possiblilities in that proccess.
Second cuestion.. If you think it´s ok to use as a sampler how is the best way to do it from ableton?
May you know a place here where to find a gide to do it.
Thanks a lot for help me with it.
Chema
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Re: Use Nord Stage 2 as a Daw or as a Sampler?
Hi, if the sound has no key dynamics (like the original Juno 106) and no external effects added (by the plugin or ableton) then you should not lose any quality by sampling it as single layer of .wav (say 2 samples per octave at least, C and F#), transform into a .nsmp and load into the NS2 using Nord Sample Editor.
Of course the reverse is also true (if it has dynamics and/or complex effects that you may not be able to replace with NS2 ones, then better play it directly from the plugin using the Extern section)
I suggest you try to sample it into the NS2 anyway, in any case you will gain experience on how do it also for the futue, then if you don't like the result you still have the other option
Of course the reverse is also true (if it has dynamics and/or complex effects that you may not be able to replace with NS2 ones, then better play it directly from the plugin using the Extern section)
I suggest you try to sample it into the NS2 anyway, in any case you will gain experience on how do it also for the futue, then if you don't like the result you still have the other option
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Re: Use Nord Stage 2 as a Daw or as a Sampler?
Thanks Maxpiano!
How can I send two samples per octave to the nord using the editor? I Always did I just with one sample and I Thought there's no other way.. I'm using this guide but is only for one wav sound..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B1pYtxWn0_A
What do you mean by key dinamics? (I'm not a really a keyboard man, I play guitAr but I Compose all the music from the band.
Thanks a lot for helping me..
How can I send two samples per octave to the nord using the editor? I Always did I just with one sample and I Thought there's no other way.. I'm using this guide but is only for one wav sound..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B1pYtxWn0_A
What do you mean by key dinamics? (I'm not a really a keyboard man, I play guitAr but I Compose all the music from the band.
Thanks a lot for helping me..
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Re: Use Nord Stage 2 as a Daw or as a Sampler?
Hola Chema, in this link you will find the Sample editor's manual, with instructions on how to do it. It's very easy, just a little practice.
http://www.nordkeyboards.com/downloads/ ... ple-editor
Good luck
http://www.nordkeyboards.com/downloads/ ... ple-editor
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Re: Use Nord Stage 2 as a Daw or as a Sampler?
yosoychema wrote:Thanks Maxpiano!
How can I send two samples per octave to the nord using the editor? I Always did I just with one sample and I Thought there's no other way.. I'm using this guide but is only for one wav sound..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B1pYtxWn0_A
What do you mean by key dinamics? (I'm not a really a keyboard man, I play guitAr but I Compose all the music from the band.
Thanks a lot for helping me..
OK, that is the right tutorial video, as you can see it plays some notes on each octave (that's what I mean) then it saves it as a single wav, not individual wav per note (my personal peferred method, anyway that's an equivalent method just fine, you can do the same as in the video)
Key dinamics menas that the sound responsd to velocity (how fast you press the keys), the Juno 106 as many old synths didn't have that feature, so also its virtual emulations shouldn't, but I cannot be sure in your case (not knowing which p,ugin you use)
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Re: Use Nord Stage 2 as a Daw or as a Sampler?
yosoychema wrote:the sound that i want to use is very ambient "long" sound, with the attack very low.
The longer the sound you want to capture--and the more notes along the keyboard you want to sample (as opposed to having the Nord "stretch" a single sample over multiple keys, which alters the sound), the more memory it will take when you load it into the Nord, which will reduce the space available for other sounds. You can minimize this by "looping" a sound, but that doesn't work for sounds that continue to change over time rather than settling into a constant timbre. The Juno-106 had a chorus effect... if you use that effect and decide on the sampling approach, you might be better off turning off the chorus, and then using the chorus effect in the Nord, that might be a way to "simplify" the source sound in a way that will facilitate using shorter samples. Some things simply won't be able to be duplicated via a sample. For example, the Juno-106 had portamento (the ability to glide to a note from the previous note you played)... that effect cannot be sampled, but you can add that effect via the Stage's own synth controls. Which brings me to one other idea... besides sampling the sound or triggering the VST via EXT, a third approach could be to look at the parameters that created the Juno sound, and see whether you can come close to duplicating the sound with the Stage's own synth section. The Juno was a pretty simple synth, only one oscillator per voice, etc., and you may find that similar sounds are within the Nord's own capabilities.
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Re: Use Nord Stage 2 as a Daw or as a Sampler?
So anotherscott what you recommend me is to take just one sample in China for example with no juno or ableton effects and 0 attack and no decay and long also and then use the nord effects it and modify the attack to the top etc in the nord itself no?
I have really not problems with the nord memory cause I have a space. I'm not using most of the nord sampler sounds.
I, m also using a valhalla reverb throughout ableton for this juno sound.
So if I have space to take one or several wavs (I don't know too send several yet to the nord) you still think that a short sound it will sound like the original from the plug-in?
Thanks for answer
I have really not problems with the nord memory cause I have a space. I'm not using most of the nord sampler sounds.
I, m also using a valhalla reverb throughout ableton for this juno sound.
So if I have space to take one or several wavs (I don't know too send several yet to the nord) you still think that a short sound it will sound like the original from the plug-in?
Thanks for answer
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Re: Use Nord Stage 2 as a Daw or as a Sampler?
yosoychema wrote:So anotherscott what you recommend me is to take just one sample in China for example with no juno or ableton effects and 0 attack and no decay and long also and then use the nord effects it and modify the attack to the top etc in the nord itself no?
I don't know what the reference to China is. But there are multiple approaches to using the Nord's own synth controls to help you duplicate your sound. You could sample the original sound with its own attack OR you could sample the original sound in a "steady" state and use the Nord's own controls to manipulate the attack. The more the Nord does, the more flexibility you have, but you might not be able to get the *exact* effect of the original. There's no right answer, experiment! Effects tend to really complicate sampling. It's generally better to sample your sounds "dry" and add fx in the Nord, unless there's something you simply cannot get that way. Also, don't overlook the possibility that you might not have to sample at all, that's where I was going at the end of my previous post. You might be able to select the same kind of waveform, the same filter parameters, etc., using functions that are already in the Nord, and end up with a sound that's pretty close. But if not, sure, try sampling the basic tone and manipulating it in the Nord, and try sampling the sound with more of its parameters intact, and see what works best. The right answer for one sound can be the wrong one for another.
yosoychema wrote:I, m also using a valhalla reverb throughout ableton for this juno sound.
Don't sample with reverb, add reverb in the Nord. If you sample with reverb, the reverb will end when the note stops playing, which is almost certainly not what you want.
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Re: Use Nord Stage 2 as a Daw or as a Sampler?
Perfect! I will try the two options!
And what do you think about to take from the Juno, two samples per octave or just one simple C note sample for all the nord keyboard?
Thanks again
And what do you think about to take from the Juno, two samples per octave or just one simple C note sample for all the nord keyboard?
Thanks again
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Re: Use Nord Stage 2 as a Daw or as a Sampler?
yosoychema wrote:Perfect! I will try the two options!
And what do you think about to take from the Juno, two samples per octave or just one simple C note sample for all the nord keyboard?
Thanks again
The more notes you sample, the closer it will sound to your original. Start with one high sample, and see how many notes down you can play from the original pitch before it sounds bad to you, that will let you know how many more notes you have to sample. It is common to sample 3 or more locations per octave, though some synth sounds may be more forgiving than acoustic sounds. You also may only need it to be playable within a limited range, so that's a factor too.
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