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Postby lucas » 17 Oct 2012, 14:36

Please HELP

I can not turn on my nord wave midi mode in FL Studio with input-output-usb-midi-cable In FL midi settings I select USB MIDI Interface but MIDI mode does not work...
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Re: Nord Wave MIDI Mode FL Studio

Postby mjbrands » 17 Oct 2012, 23:30

I don't know FL Studio, but I your probably is probably caused by one (or both) of the following issues:
  • You did not connect the MIDI cables correctly
  • The MIDI channel you're sending on from FL Studio differs from what the Wave is listening to
If the MIDI LED on the Wave blinks when you send MIDI from FL Studio, you've got the MIDI cable(s) connected correctly. At a minimum, you need to connect MIDI OUT on the USB interface to MIDI IN on the Wave, but if you also connect MIDI OUT on the Wave to MIDI IN on the USB MIDI interface using a second MIDI cable, you can use the keyboard of your Wave to play soft synths in FL Studio. If you connect MIDI IN to MIDI IN or MIDI OUT to MIDI OUT, you won't damage anything but it won't work. MIDI data always 'flows' from MIDI OUT to MIDI IN. Also note that MIDI is data describing keys your pressed, knobs you turned, etc. MIDI does not carry sound, you need to connect the Wave's audio outputs to speakers or an audio interface on your computer to hear something.

As for the MIDI channel: there are several ways to set this up, but I would start with FL Studio using MIDI channel 1. With the default MIDI settings, channel 1 controls both slots so unless you changed the settings in the MIDI menu, you should hear the Wave make sound when you send MIDI to channel 1.

Please don't hesitate to post if I'm unclear or if you still can't get it to work.
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Re: Nord Wave MIDI Mode FL Studio

Postby lucas » 18 Oct 2012, 01:37

THX for answer MJBRANDS. Well, In my case WAVE is connected with USB end to the computer and another end IN to the INPUT and OUT to the OUTPUT on the WAVE with USB MIDI CABLE ADAPTER (one end is USB another double MIDI IN and OUT), but I have no signal. also can be connected with separate USB INTERFACE MIDI KEYBOARD CONTROLLER with STANDART MIDI CABEL (with single MIDI-MIDI ends) OUTPUT to the OUT on the CONTROLLER and INPUT to the IN on the WAVE, this way I can play WAVE sound with CONTROLLER KEYBOARD, nothing more. I tried connect with this same STANDART CABLE conversely OUTPUT to the OUT on the WAVE and INPUT to the IN on the CONTROLLER, but nothing. now program part, I attach a picture of unset FL Studio MIDI OUT SETTINGS and GENERAL MIDI SETTING in this case without identification in output and input sections of USB INTERFACE of USB MIDI CABLE ADAPTER, just to consider settings
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Re: Nord Wave MIDI Mode FL Studio

Postby mjbrands » 18 Oct 2012, 02:04

The USB connection from the Wave to the PC is only used for downloading sounds from the PC to the Wave. Unlike newer instruments like the Stage 2, the Wave cannot do MIDI over its own USB connection.

I'm a bit confused. I had a brief look at the manual for the M-Audio Ozonic I see in the picture you posted. It has MIDI in/out and audio in/out. Do you have the Wave connected to the Ozonic via both MIDI and audio cables? I'm asking this, because you mention 'USB MIDI' interface. In the picture you posted I don't see this 'USB MIDI' interface (I'm thinking of a USB cable with two MIDI cables connected to it, like the E-mu 1X1 below).

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Also, from your description it appears to me you have the MIDI leads connected the wrong way. For example, with the 1X1 above you'd connect the grey MIDI IN connector to the Wave's MIDI OUT and the black MIDI OUT connector to the Wave's MIDI IN. OUT connects to IN. Normally MIDI cables are completely black and you'd have to look at the description for the ports you plug them in to. Try swapping the MIDI cables in the back of your Wave. If the MIDI LED next to the display isn't flashing, the Wave isn't receiving MIDI. If it is flashing but you don't hear anything, it might be receiving MIDI on the wrong channel (try channel 1 first and check the MIDI Menu section in the manual - you have a global channel which acts like playing on the Wave's keyboard and you can also give each Slot its own MIDI channel for more flexible setups).

When looking at that picture (again, I'm assuming this is a picture of your setup) I'd expect 'Ozonic External MIDI' to be the active input and 'Ozonic External MIDI' to be one of the active outputs. Whether you output a MIDI clock (shown as sync in the image) to the Wave doesn't really matter, since it doesn't use that clock anyway (the Stage 2 would use it, for example). This is assuming you want to use the Wave to play on and to produce sound. You can likely have multiple outputs as well as inputs active at the same time, though I can't really see how you'd select on which MIDI output you would want to send (in Ableton Live and Logic you can do that).
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Re: Nord Wave MIDI Mode FL Studio

Postby lucas » 18 Oct 2012, 02:39

mjbrands wrote: Also, from your description it appears to me you have the MIDI leads connected the wrong way. For example, with the 1X1 above you'd connect the grey MIDI IN connector to the Wave's MIDI OUT and the black MIDI OUT connector to the Wave's MIDI IN. OUT connects to IN. Normally MIDI cables are completely black and you'd have to look at the description for the ports you plug them in to. Try swapping the MIDI cables in the back of your Wave.


Yes wires was connected wrong :) now it works. thx

but I'm still have no idea how to send reverse signal MIDI data to WAVE from MIDI OUT channel of FL Studio?

and Now WAVE plays VST sound and bank sound together, how to turn off it, switch only to the midi mode?
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Re: Nord Wave MIDI Mode FL Studio

Postby mjbrands » 19 Oct 2012, 00:51

lucas wrote:Yes wires was connected wrong :) now it works. thx

MIDI isn't exactly the most intuitive and easy to understand technology :-p

lucas wrote:but I'm still have no idea how to send reverse signal MIDI data to WAVE from MIDI OUT channel of FL Studio?

How do you have things set up right now? Do you have the MIDI OUT port of your MIDI interface (maybe that Ozonic controller) connected via a MIDI cable to the Wave's MIDI IN? Also, could you maybe post another picture of how you have it set up in FL Studio right now?

lucas wrote:and Now WAVE plays VST sound and bank sound together, how to turn off it, switch only to the midi mode?

Turn off Local Control in the MIDI menu. Look on page 60 of the manual for more info. What this does is set up the Wave so MIDI data generated by the keyboard of the Wave is no longer sent to the 'sound engine' of the Wave, it is only sent to the MIDI OUT port. However, you can still send notes to the MIDI IN port of the Wave and it will happily play those. What you'd normally do is turn off Local Control and configure your DAW (FL Studio in your case) to send MIDI it receives from the Wave back to the Wave.

If you changed the Local Control setting and wonder why you're not getting any sound when playing the Wave without anything connected, check if you have Local Control on again.
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Re: Nord Wave MIDI Mode FL Studio

Postby lucas » 19 Oct 2012, 23:31

mjbrands wrote:
lucas wrote:Yes wires was connected wrong :) now it works. thx

MIDI isn't exactly the most intuitive and easy to understand technology :-p


haha no I think I'm just non-expert :oops: :)

mjbrands wrote:
lucas wrote:but I'm still have no idea how to send reverse signal MIDI data to WAVE from MIDI OUT channel of FL Studio?

How do you have things set up right now? Do you have the MIDI OUT port of your MIDI interface (maybe that Ozonic controller) connected via a MIDI cable to the Wave's MIDI IN? Also, could you maybe post another picture of how you have it set up in FL Studio right now?


the WAVE connected to the computer with double MIDI-IN&OUT-to-USB cable, same like this one E-mu 1X1 now without controller, which has the same MIDI out&in, but now it works only like soundcard. output midi signal from WAVE working well. ok now output, below I attached the print screen of settings, but it is almost the same as it was, just now displayed the MIDI interface

mjbrands wrote:
lucas wrote:and Now WAVE plays VST sound and bank sound together, how to turn off it, switch only to the midi mode?

Turn off Local Control in the MIDI menu. Look on page 60 of the manual for more info. What this does is set up the Wave so MIDI data generated by the keyboard of the Wave is no longer sent to the 'sound engine' of the Wave, it is only sent to the MIDI OUT port. However, you can still send notes to the MIDI IN port of the Wave and it will happily play those. What you'd normally do is turn off Local Control and configure your DAW (FL Studio in your case) to send MIDI it receives from the Wave back to the Wave.

If you changed the Local Control setting and wonder why you're not getting any sound when playing the Wave without anything connected, check if you have Local Control on again.


yeah, thx
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Re: Nord Wave MIDI Mode FL Studio

Postby mjbrands » 20 Oct 2012, 00:30

I had a look at the demo, but I have no idea how FL works. :wtf:

From what I understand, you use the MIDI Out plugin (shown in your image) to send MIDI to the Wave from FL. You'd drop it in a channel and set the correct MIDI channel and 'Port'. The MIDI channel should match how you've set up the Wave (MIDI menu). Channel 1 is probably the right channel, unless you've changed the settings on the Wave.

The 'Port' thing is appearently used to connect a MIDI Out plugin (for example) to a MIDI Output. However, in your image (the 2nd one) I notice you've got no 'Port' set up for your 'USB MIDI Interface' MIDI Output. You should should set a port (0 seems an obvious choice) and then modify the port in the MIDI Out plugin (which you don't have to do, since port 0 is already selected).

Anyway...

What you'd have to do in Ableton Live is create a new MIDI track and set the input and output to the 'USB MIDI Interface', so it receives MIDI from the Wave and sends it back to the Wave. You'd then set Local Controll to off and enable monitoring on that MIDI track, so Live would send any MIDI it receives for that track to the configured MIDI output (the Wave). If you didn't enable monitoring, it would only send MIDI it receives to the Wave if you were recording; monitoring.
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Re: Nord Wave MIDI Mode FL Studio

Postby lucas » 20 Oct 2012, 01:04

mjbrands wrote:
From what I understand, you use the MIDI Out plugin (shown in your image) to send MIDI to the Wave from FL. You'd drop it in a channel and set the correct MIDI channel and 'Port'. The MIDI channel should match how you've set up the Wave (MIDI menu). Channel 1 is probably the right channel, unless you've changed the settings on the Wave.

The 'Port' thing is appearently used to connect a MIDI Out plugin (for example) to a MIDI Output. However, in your image (the 2nd one) I notice you've got no 'Port' set up for your 'USB MIDI Interface' MIDI Output. You should should set a port (0 seems an obvious choice) and then modify the port in the MIDI Out plugin (which you don't have to do, since port 0 is already selected).


yes great! :thanks: here is a FL studio working setting for midi output-input. maybe someone will need :idea: ::
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