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Sustain @ organ section , no new tone (same key)

Postby markjohan » 23 Jan 2018, 12:21

Hello Everyone,

Is there some way to change the "problem" that if you use the sustain pedal and want to play the same note while holding the sustain, there will be no new start of the tone? So you can not play for example:

C3, (now hold your sustain pedal) and play C3, C3, D3.

If you press the sustain pedal, you will hear only:
C3, (now hold your sustain pedal) D3

Is there some setting to change this?

Thanks,

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Re: Sustain @ organ section , no new tone (same key)

Postby NordPH » 23 Jan 2018, 14:22

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Re: Sustain @ organ section , no new tone (same key)

Postby markjohan » 23 Jan 2018, 15:08

Hello NordPH, Thanks for your anwser.
Is it correct that the NS2 did not has this?

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Re: Sustain @ organ section , no new tone (same key)

Postby NordPH » 23 Jan 2018, 15:29

The Stage 2 and 3 are the same in this matter.
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Re: Sustain @ organ section , no new tone (same key)

Postby anotherscott » 23 Jan 2018, 18:06

markjohan wrote:Is there some way to change the "problem" that if you use the sustain pedal and want to play the same note while holding the sustain, there will be no new start of the tone?

"Real" organs didn't have sustain pedals, so there is no "right" or "authentic" way to handle sustain. But even if the Nord did let you retrigger a note that was being held, the retrigger would be somewhat subtle, all you would hear is the key click. The natural "infinite sustain" that is part of an organ's drawbar tone means that, by definition, there simply would be no change to the body of the sound if you retriggered a note without releasing it first. Even if the sound used percussion, percussion is "single trigger" and not only wouldn't re-trigger until you released that note, it wouldn't retrigger until you released *all* notes. (Though there have been some organ implementations that could alter that percussion behavior.)

In those clones (like Nord) which do permit you to use a sustain pedal with an organ, the common use is not to play organ passages with the pedal down, but rather to hold a note or chord so you can remove your hand to do something else (adjust a panel control, call up your next sound, play an entirely different sound via a keyboard split or on another keyboard, etc.). In general, playing organ passages with sustain pedal down sounds inauthentic, and is not part of "proper" organ playing technique (as I said, real organs don't even have sustain pedals)...it often sounds "bad" and is typically an indicator that the person is a piano player who never really learned how to play organ. If you want your organ playing to sound like it was played by an organist (or on a "real" organ), don't play any passages with the pedal down.

OTOH, just because it's "nontraditional," that doesn't mean someone might not find a good musical reason to do it, authenticity isn't everything, and for that matter, people have created interesting music without knowing the "right" way to play their instrument. So with that in mind, I'll assume you have a good reason to want to somehow get this effect, of repeating the sound of the click and/or percussion. If this is the effect you're after, you might try creating a Synth sound that is close to the sound of the click or percussion, and layering that sound with the organ (instead of using the organ's percussion function), that might give you the musical effect you're looking for. If you can't synthesize something close enough, you could sample the sound of the Nord's percussion and then layer that sample. Sampling the click would be trickier, since you can't play the click by itself, but you can experiment with a sound that has a lot of click relative to pitch and then editing the wave to include just the smallest amount that might work for you. I don't know if that would work, but it could be worth a shot.
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Re: Sustain @ organ section , no new tone (same key)

Postby Quai34 » 23 Jan 2018, 21:13

Thanks Anotherscott, again, a super detailed answer....Yes, I asked some time ago the "same" question, why we have a pedal sustain on a C2, organ don't have sustain anyway! And I got this answer, to sustain a short part and free your hand....I do that at the End of a song when Organ plus synths have a lond "sustain" to leave me time to just play another sound on the last beat, when we all stop.
Or when I have 2 measure that needs to be hold then, I can do some little solo/melody during the fade out of the song.
But yes, unless you follow Another'scott advices, you usually don't use the sustain pedal with a proper organ playing technique...
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Re: Sustain @ organ section , no new tone (same key)

Postby markjohan » 23 Jan 2018, 23:28

Hello, Thanks a lot for your anwsers.

This was the reason, just for change a program / last touch.

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Re: Sustain @ organ section , no new tone (same key)

Postby anotherscott » 24 Jan 2018, 03:09

markjohan wrote:Hello, Thanks a lot for your anwsers.

This was the reason, just for change a program / last touch.

Ah. So if you you're sustaining something, removing your hand to make an adjustment, then need to play the same note again, the answer would be to get back to the keyboard a little more quickly so you can get your fingers back onto the same keys you left off on *before* you need to play the next note. Then you can release the pedal and continue playing the part as if your hand had never left, including naturally repeating the previously played note.
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