Nord User Forum

[maxpiano]

We are not talking about assigning one-note splits here, but about setting the split point of the usual 3 zones (4 on NS3) more freely and not just at C or F... this may actually be useful when playing in some keys, particularly on a
76/73-keys models where the available split key range is less.

I think this is where the splitpoint crossfade comes into play.
No hard splits anymore so it seems to me to be even better than pure splitpoint-freedom...

BUT this is NS3-only and won't be backported I think.

Splitpoint crossfade can help to same extent but it really depends on teh scenario; think of someone who is playing in F# (for example) and wants to hard-split say an organ/bass (left) and a Rhodes (right) at that note or at C#, to play 2 fully separated parts and without any "blend" between them, in that case crossfade doesn't help.

PS: I also use Mainstage and I kind of like its "Floating Split Points" concept, but also that one is sometimes tricky to use and its real effectiveness varies much depending on the scenario.

[harmonizer]

I will offer to Nord my perspective on using splits - I use them a lot on my Roland synth module. Many of the splits I set up on my Roland synth are custom for just one song. I set up the split, I know exactly where it is on the keyboard, and why it is there, and I practice playing the song using those splits.

I don't need no stinkin' LEDs for these custom splits.

So my suggestion to Nord is to remove the concern about what to do with the LEDs, when considering an option to allow "Floating Split Points". We're big boys and girls.

[anotherscott]

As someone proposed in a similar discussion sometime ago, the fact that leds are fixedis not really a blocker, it would still be OK to have the free split option in the menu and turn on or "flash" two leds when the split point is between them; most other keyboars have no split leds at all, so this solution would anyway be a plus for the NS compared to those.

That sounds really clumsy and unhelpful (you still don’t know where exactly the split is) for very little gain.

"Very little gain" depends on whether you need it or not.

Nobody would force you to override the default split points. If you don't like not having them line up exactly where the LEDs are, then by all means, you should stick with the defaults, But it would be nice to have an override option for those who feel otherwise.

The one that most bugs me is the forced split between the highest B and C on the 73. If I'm playing organ, I *need* that top C. I also don't need anything above that top C. (That's where a real Hammond ends.) It's a shame to not be able to toss some samples or something up top onto those otherwise useless keys.

(And btw, with crossfade, you still kinda "don’t know where exactly the split is" because it isn't exactly anywhere. So you're still in a situation where the light is indicating an approximation rather than an absolute.)

[analogika]

I disagree. The Stage series is, as much as possible, a “what you see is what you get” interface. The crossfade splitpoints are clear, with colour-coding indicating exactly what is happening.

In my opinion, the kind of fine-grained control you’re asking for is better-suited to other product lines.

[alcools]

If the Stage were more of a workstation that allowed assigning various synth engines and samplers all over the place for that one-shot sample over here and a Shepherd sweep over there, it would make sense, but the Nord Stage, with its “two-of-each” limitation, really just isn’t that kind of keyboard and doesn’t try to be.

For that kind of stuff, Mainstage or a Kronos are the better option. If it’s just the odd patch where this would be useful, best to just stick with the sample editor to build your own patches, I think.

Thanks for these remarks, but I'm an "old" Nord Stage user (1, 1ex, and 2), so I know what a NS is. But I would appreciate these features and you can ignore them if you don't have the use (these features would be placed in the sub menu). I repeat that the split feature allready exists in the Nord modular G2, and it must not be very difficult for Nord to do it On the G2, when you're setting free split points, the led just switch off. Don't be scared, this would not transform your NS in workstation.

Why I want this:
- Some one shoot sample on the lower keys (or drum loop sample)
- Sometimes, depending of the chords of my songs, I haven't enought keys for some sounds, and too much for some other sounds (sorry, my english is not very good so it's sometimes difficult to me to use the good terms - I hope you understand what I want to explain).

I disagree. The Stage series is, as much as possible, a “what you see is what you get” interface. The crossfade splitpoints are clear, with colour-coding indicating exactly what is happening.

In my opinion, the kind of fine-grained control you’re asking for is better-suited to other product lines.

I'm sure you would be very happy with the Nord Stage 1. Evolution is bad.

[analogika]

I disagree. The Stage series is, as much as possible, a “what you see is what you get” interface. The crossfade splitpoints are clear, with colour-coding indicating exactly what is happening.

In my opinion, the kind of fine-grained control you’re asking for is better-suited to other product lines.

I'm sure you would be very happy with the Nord Stage 1. Evolution is bad.

You’re talking to a guy running a MainStage rig for that kind of stuff, who likes the Nord Stage ethic so much that he just replaced his Stage 2 with a Stage 3, because evolution. (And because I swore the day I bought my Stage 2 that I’d replace it the moment they released a version with drawbars. This one will stay, though. I don’t foresee a reason to replace it at any point, now that the updated synth is so killer and that it has drawbars...)

[alcools]

And me, I regret the buttons and leds for the organ !

[fjzingo]

The crassfade sålitpoints would have been a nice addition on top of hard splitpoints, not the other way around. Dont understand that the splitpoints, leds and having hard splitpoints even is a discussion, the new screens display the exact position of the splitpoints anyway. Hard splitpoints seems like a missed opportunity from Clavias behalf.

[AlQuinn]

I think we can safely assume that whatever they’re shipping is a conscious decision to accept that you, in particular, will be unhappy, allowing the greatest amount of other customers to live with a compromise that best suits most of us.

Wow, that's a powerful claim. On what basis are you saying this? What facts do you have that support your claim that Clavia has succeeded at satisfying most of the keyboard market?

[RichardG]

I think we can safely assume that whatever they’re shipping is a conscious decision to accept that you, in particular, will be unhappy, allowing the greatest amount of other customers to live with a compromise that best suits most of us.

Wow, that's a powerful claim. On what basis are you saying this? What facts do you have that support your claim that Clavia has succeeded at satisfying most of the keyboard market?

Their Client-base ?