Is this unique to the Leslie effect? For example, if you switch from a Program with Effect 2 (i.e. chorus) on the EP, and your next Program has a different amount/rate for Effect 2 on the piano section (regardless of whether or not the piano section is actually active on your new Program), does the chorus on your held/sustained chord maintain it's original settings or change to the new ones? (I hope/expect it's the former.)
What about Drive? When the organ changes to the new program's rotary speed, does the rotary section's Drive amount change to the new Program's setting as well? And is this behavior different from the amount of Drive specified in the Amp Sim section, if your organ sound used *that* drive knob (instead of or in addition to the drive knob in the rotary section)?
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Re: Seamless Transitions x Rotary Fast
The reverb is completely independent for Panels A and B, EXCEPT for when the Leslie is active, since in that case, (Panel A's) reverb is applied BEFORE the rotary effect.
All of the other effects are pre-reverb.
Haven't tried the rotary "drive" setting, but since the respective engines from both panels are sent through a single reverb/Leslie combination, I don't see how the rotary drive could affect them independently.
All of the other effects are pre-reverb.
Haven't tried the rotary "drive" setting, but since the respective engines from both panels are sent through a single reverb/Leslie combination, I don't see how the rotary drive could affect them independently.
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Re: Seamless Transitions x Rotary Fast
Analogika, your message referred to effects on different panels, but the conversation is not about the handling of effects on Panel A vs Panel B, but rather the handling of effects on Program X vs Program Y when doing a seamless transition between them.
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Re: Seamless Transitions x Rotary Fast
Oh duh, sorry — that was another topic.
My apologies. It's that kind of a day today.
My apologies. It's that kind of a day today.
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Re: Seamless Transitions x Rotary Fast
analogika wrote:might not even be possible if there is only one Leslie sim available to the system
if rotary during seamless transition is indeed handled differently from other effects, then I suspect that would be the reason, that there's only one instance of rotary effect available.
analogika wrote:the current way is the most sensible design for real-world use.
I think the problem is that every Program includes saved Rotary settings, even if there is nothing in the Program that actually uses the Rotary effect. Which means that, when you switch to a new Program, your held organ sound's rotary effect is likely to change (even if the new Program does not employ the rotary effect), which you presumably don't want.
I don't know whether this is feasible within their architecture, but one solution I can think of is that the "default" rotary effect for any program (where you don't specify otherwise) would be to read and implement the "current" rotary setting, whatever it is. This would be conceptually a bit similar to the "Drawbar Live" button on the Compact model, whose selection can be stored as part of a Program, where there is then no drawbar setting stored in the Program... instead, the Program reads and uses whatever the existing drawbar positions are. So then, switching to a new program that did not, itself, specifically employ the rotary effect would leave the existing rotary settings unaltered and intact from the previous Program, so then the seamless switch--maintaining the previous/held sound just as it was--would work as expected.
analogika wrote:you can either save the proper Leslie speed into a program
While that might work for a specific song known in advance, It's not practical to program versions of every program you might switch to with every rotary effect you might be switching from, nor to have to keep track of all those variations if you did.
analogika wrote:or just switch speeds after switching programs (you can switch speeds even if the rotary is turned OFF for the program)
Besides taking a hand at a time you may find it hard to spare one, it could still sound off. Imagine rotary on fast, and a switch to slow/stop that happens with the program change, then switching back to fast when you hit the button to restore the effect you wanted held...
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Re: Seamless Transitions x Rotary Fast
On this topic of whether things like Leslie speed or chorus depth (for example) stay with the prior or switch to target Program on seamless transition - I seem to recall another instrument in the past (maybe Kurzweil?) where the user could choose between them. Maybe that would be a way for Nord to consider addressing this, with a toggle that lets the user decide if they want to keep certain things or switch them upon Program transition.
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Re: Seamless Transitions x Rotary Fast
What is required depends entirely upon the patches in question. For some sounds, it is absolutely essential that the Leslie be at the correct speed. In other situations, it is preferable that the organ continue as is. Most of the time, it probably doesn’t matter either way - if you’re switching between organ patches, you’re constantly switching Leslie speeds anyway.
So, given that
— the only way to fully address this is to make the setting per-program, and given that
— this is only an issue when a Leslie-enabled patch is sustained through seamless transition, and given that
— switching this on the fly is a one-button fix with ample forewarning (since the Leslie will gradually accelerate/decelerate), and given that
— in many other situations, this can be programmed against by storing the program with the appropriate setting,
I can appreciate that this is the choice they made.
So, given that
— the only way to fully address this is to make the setting per-program, and given that
— this is only an issue when a Leslie-enabled patch is sustained through seamless transition, and given that
— switching this on the fly is a one-button fix with ample forewarning (since the Leslie will gradually accelerate/decelerate), and given that
— in many other situations, this can be programmed against by storing the program with the appropriate setting,
I can appreciate that this is the choice they made.
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Re: Seamless Transitions x Rotary Fast
analogika wrote: For some sounds, it is absolutely essential that the Leslie be at the correct speed. In other situations, it is preferable that the organ continue as is.
Those two scenarios sound the same to me. You want it to be at the correct speed, and you want it to continue that way until you specify otherwise, so I don't see your distinction there.
Can someone confirm that this only happens with rotary effect? That is, if you're holding a sound with chorus/phasing/echo/wah/tremelo/flanging through a seamless program transition, your effect on the old sound being held doesn't change with the new program selection, does it?
If indeed this is only a rotary issue, and it exists because the Nord can only process one rotary effect at a time, I can see why they would want to do it this way when switching from one program to another where both programs have active organ sounds, there's no ideal alternative there. But when switching to a program with NO active organ sound (and no relevant user-specified parameters), it seems unfortunate that they are altering you first sound unnecessarily, i.e. in order to accommodate a setting you didn't make and aren't using in the first place.
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Re: Seamless Transitions x Rotary Fast
anotherscott wrote:analogika wrote: For some sounds, it is absolutely essential that the Leslie be at the correct speed. In other situations, it is preferable that the organ continue as is.
Those two scenarios sound the same to me. You want it to be at the correct speed, and you want it to continue that way until you specify otherwise, so I don't see your distinction there.
They are opposites - in one case, you want the previous Sound to remain as is (such as with a sustained organ pad), and in the other, the new sound needs to take precedence.
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Re: Seamless Transitions x Rotary Fast
anotherscott wrote:analogika wrote: For some sounds, it is absolutely essential that the Leslie be at the correct speed. In other situations, it is preferable that the organ continue as is.
Those two scenarios sound the same to me. You want it to be at the correct speed, and you want it to continue that way until you specify otherwise, so I don't see your distinction there.
Can someone confirm that this only happens with rotary effect? That is, if you're holding a sound with chorus/phasing/echo/wah/tremelo/flanging through a seamless program transition, your effect on the old sound being held doesn't change with the new program selection, does it?
If indeed this is only a rotary issue, and it exists because the Nord can only process one rotary effect at a time, I can see why they would want to do it this way when switching from one program to another where both programs have active organ sounds, there's no ideal alternative there. But when switching to a program with NO active organ sound (and no relevant user-specified parameters), it seems unfortunate that they are altering you first sound unnecessarily, i.e. in order to accommodate a setting you didn't make and aren't using in the first place.
I did some tests today
Effect1, Effect2, Delay, Amp Sim/EQ, Reverb: Keep the Effect
Compressor: Cut Effect
Rotary Speaker: Cut Effect (except if a change just the panel .... but if I change a Program .... = Stop)
Bend: Cut Effect
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