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Re: NS3 polyphony

Postby baekgaard » 29 Nov 2017, 00:00

MrTobbe wrote:...and just to be sure - I have now done the same test, but with two identical panels of a pure sine wave, and layered panel A and B together. The maximum polyphony then is 15 notes.


Both of your tests are consistent with what I found (see above) -- although I curiously only get 30 voices in panel A, but often get to 28 voices in panel B... Did you use Panel A for the single-panel test, or did you try both?

In any case, the polyphony is quite close to what has been advertised, I think. There may be some specific conditions that are required to get to the full 34 (or whatever number is in the manual).
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Re: NS3 polyphony

Postby Mr_-G- » 29 Nov 2017, 00:03

If you use Audacity, you can also record the performance as a wav and then display as a spectrogram where the horizontal axis is time and the vertical is frequency. You should see the sine waves as horizontal lines.
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Re: NS3 polyphony

Postby MrTobbe » 29 Nov 2017, 00:32

baekgaard wrote:Both of your tests are consistent with what I found (see above) -- although I curiously only get 30 voices in panel A, but often get to 28 voices in panel B... Did you use Panel A for the single-panel test, or did you try both?

No I never tried Panel B on its own.

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Re: NS3 polyphony

Postby cgrafx » 29 Nov 2017, 05:17

so this should be reported/considered a bug.

getting close to advertised is not the same as delivering whats advertised.

30 Note polyphony is not 34.
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Re: NS3 polyphony

Postby lordy » 29 Nov 2017, 09:04

And the polyphony is not 30 notes, no no. It is far less... good bug, or lie
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Re: NS3 polyphony

Postby lordy » 29 Nov 2017, 09:09

Norduserforum has changed my post name, from polyphony lie to ns3 polyphony. Interesting, my title was disturbing.
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But it does not change anything, the real polyphony is far to be what is announced. It is not 28 or 30 believe it.
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Re: NS3 polyphony

Postby Valpurgis » 29 Nov 2017, 09:59

lordy wrote:Norduserforum has changed my post name, from polyphony lie to ns3 polyphony. Interesting, my title was disturbing.
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But it does not change anything, the real polyphony is far to be what is announced. It is not 28 or 30 believe it.

I suppose your next post will be «MrTobbe and baekgaard polyphony lies»? Eventually «Nord User Forum moderators corruption»? Give it a break.
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Re: NS3 polyphony

Postby baekgaard » 29 Nov 2017, 10:15

@lordy: we're trying to help you and reproduce bugs/problems you report.

You're accusing Nord of lying (which is an intentional act). I don't think Nord is lying.

Some of us have shown (end have even spent time to provide concrete evidence here) that polyphony is at least 28 or 30.

Now you're also saying that polyphony is not 28 or 30, without any evidence.

And on a side note: You have also previously insisted that there is NO difference between some of the organ vintage settings. I have also provided evidence that it is a difference between all of them (and I can CLEARLY hear a difference between them here).

So: Even if we provide factual evidence that your claims are not universally true, you're basically saying that Nord -- and now also the rest of us -- are not telling the truth.

Therefore, I am afraid I have to conclude that there is no way (I can come up with) that I can help you, since factual evidence don't appear to have any impact or lead to a further analysis/reflection.

We may still keep discussing the factual matters here, but I have to apologise myself from hereon, since I don't think I am able to incorporate your train of thought into the discussion in any sensible way :-(

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Re: NS3 polyphony

Postby analogika » 29 Nov 2017, 10:34

lordy wrote:Norduserforum has changed my post name, from polyphony lie to ns3 polyphony. Interesting, my title was disturbing.
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But it does not change anything, the real polyphony is far to be what is announced. It is not 28 or 30 believe it.

a) It’s just been PROVEN to you that the synth gets at least 30 voices of polyphony. You may not be able to read the frequency graph, but that doesn’t change the evidence.

b) That may not be the promised 34, but we don’t know if there’s some circumstance not yet accounted for in the testing (perhaps 4 notes reserved for seamless transitions?), or whether somebody miscalculated during development and never noticed, or if this is just a bug — or whether it was a conscious design decision, and the marketing material is intentionally misleading (which is what you are claiming).

c) Calling someone a “liar” in public is slander unless you can prove it, and that’s illegal, or at least problematic, in most jurisdictions. I’m pretty sure that norduseforum.com doesn’t want or need that kind of liability.
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Re: NS3 polyphony

Postby MrTobbe » 29 Nov 2017, 11:13

lordy wrote:And the polyphony is not 30 notes, no no. It is far less... good bug, or lie

lordy wrote:But it does not change anything, the real polyphony is far to be what is announced. It is not 28 or 30 believe it.


Just to be clear - I have a Nord Stage 3 compact, and it's running v1.26. I did this test because I was interested if there is any truth to the polyphony count being a lot lower than 34. I am not affiliated with Clavia/Nord in any way, nor do I know anyone working for them. I have payed full price for my NS3, with hard earned money, so why in the world would I have any interest in lying (for them)? That's just ridiculous! I have presented hard evidence showing that the polyphony is 30, no more no less.

baekgaard wrote:Some of us have shown (end have even spent time to provide concrete evidence here) that polyphony is at least 28 or 30.

Now you're also saying that polyphony is not 28 or 30, without any evidence


And to be clear - my test shows that the polyphony is 30, not 28.

If this discussion is to go any further I would like to see evidence that you get less than 30 voices of polyphony from your Stage 3

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