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Re: Please bring back "pending load" mode on the NS3

Postby AlexNagel » 06 Nov 2017, 11:02

Mr. Marko wrote:Has anyone received an answer from Nord confirming this feature is on the fix list?


As it's not a really *bug*, but rather a (intentionally?) missing feature, I haven't added this topic to the NS3 Bug Sheet yet - or should I?

EDIT: I added it to the list as "feature request" and finally reported it to Clavia.

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Re: Please bring back "pending load" mode on the NS3

Postby Quai34 » 06 Nov 2017, 11:36

@Marko:
Could you describe a situation where you don't have a Setlist? I thought the 3 P's of a musician was Plan, prepare and perform? How could you not plan and not prepare? If you are alone, like in a Piano Bar situation, ok, you decide what you play but as soon as you play with others, how could you expect them to be ready for what you decide or you to play what they decide? You come and play whatever goes through your Mind? Not any critical question, it's just I' m would like to know when you don't use a Setlist and expect ALL musicians to play at their best....
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Re: Please bring back "pending load" mode on the NS3

Postby AlexNagel » 06 Nov 2017, 12:03

Quai34 wrote:@Marko:
Could you describe a situation where you don't have a Setlist? I thought the 3 P's of a musician was Plan, prepare and perform? How could you not plan and not prepare? If you are alone, like in a Piano Bar situation, ok, you decide what you play but as soon as you play with others, how could you expect them to be ready for what you decide or you to play what they decide? You come and play whatever goes through your Mind? Not any critical question, it's just I' m would like to know when you don't use a Setlist and expect ALL musicians to play at their best....


My band never uses a setlist. We have a repertoire of about 300 songs that get chosen spontaneously by our band leader / singer. Sometimes he decides to do a medley we never did before, so it could happen we sort of mix songs together like a DJ would. Sometimes we play a song in 6/8, sometimes as a Bossa Nova. Sometimes we play a song in an easy-listening lounge style (using chorused Rhodes, much reverb and delay) - sometimes the same song is played during the party set, that means I use distorted saw-synths, filtered sweeps etc.... That's just how we work - I love it, it keeps us fresh. I could never do 100 gigs a year playing the same sh*t in the same way over and over again, that would bore me to death :-)
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Re: Please bring back "pending load" mode on the NS3

Postby Quai34 » 06 Nov 2017, 13:09

Then why you don't prepare the 300 songs in Setlist maker and program all the midi programs you use in each song, attached it to the song and then, just click on the song? Then, you don't use Setlist mode in Setlist maker but just as a bank of song with all programs attached to each song....Which means all the songs get a specific program that you can still tweak....No need of a Setlist, no need of scrolling anything, just a midi program for each song....and you can even could have two or 3 midi programs attached to the same song, named normal song, Bossa Nova 1 type song, they appear attached to the song but you click on the correct one?
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Re: Please bring back "pending load" mode on the NS3

Postby analogika » 06 Nov 2017, 13:43

Quai34 wrote:Then why you don't prepare the 300 songs in Setlist maker and program all the midi programs you use in each song, attached it to the song and then, just click on the song? Then, you don't use Setlist mode in Setlist maker but just as a bank of song with all programs attached to each song....Which means all the songs get a specific program that you can still tweak....No need of a Setlist, no need of scrolling anything, just a midi program for each song....and you can even could have two or 3 midi programs attached to the same song, named normal song, Bossa Nova 1 type song, they appear attached to the song but you click on the correct one?

I was thinking that too, but it doesn’t cover for every option and the flexibility of doing something new and unforeseen.

Like noticing he's segueing into a familiar song but, but he's going into reggae mode, so you’d like to switch to that clavinet/Hammond split, but you’ve never actually used it on that particular song, so you haven’t added it to the Set List Maker entry.

That seems like a LOT of fun, and I can really see why load pending is essential here.
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Re: Please bring back "pending load" mode on the NS3

Postby BuckW » 06 Nov 2017, 14:45

Reintroduce an undefined behavior based on prior system latency.

That's what it sounds like not having much stage 2 experience. But I get that it's an important aspect some use.
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Re: Please bring back "pending load" mode on the NS3

Postby analogika » 06 Nov 2017, 14:51

BuckW wrote:Reintroduce an undefined behavior based on prior system latency.

That's what it sounds like not having much stage 2 experience. But I get that it's an important aspect some use.

What?

The scenario is this: you’re playing a piano patch. You want to switch to a synth patch in a different bank and need to search it out while still playing - actually playing, mind you, not just having the notes you’re holding continue to sound.

How do you do this on the Nord Stage 3?
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Re: Please bring back "pending load" mode on the NS3

Postby AlexNagel » 06 Nov 2017, 15:19

analogika wrote:The scenario is this: you’re playing a piano patch. You want to switch to a synth patch in a different bank and need to search it out while still playing - actually playing, mind you, not just having the notes you’re holding continue to sound.

How do you do this on the Nord Stage 3?


Thanks for expressing it this clearly! And unfortunately the answer is: There is no f*ck*ng way!

Hasn't the Stage always been supposed to be a "player's board" geared for easy live use? Not anymore now... :-(
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Re: Please bring back "pending load" mode on the NS3

Postby analogika » 06 Nov 2017, 17:47

AlexNagel wrote:
analogika wrote:The scenario is this: you’re playing a piano patch. You want to switch to a synth patch in a different bank and need to search it out while still playing - actually playing, mind you, not just having the notes you’re holding continue to sound.

How do you do this on the Nord Stage 3?


Thanks for expressing it this clearly! And unfortunately the answer is: There is no f*ck*ng way!

Hasn't the Stage always been supposed to be a "player's board" geared for easy live use? Not anymore now... :-(

Well, to be fair, we got smooth transitioning, which is HUGELY beneficial for live playing… not the same thing at all, obviously.

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Re: Please bring back "pending load" mode on the NS3

Postby anotherscott » 06 Nov 2017, 17:54

Quai34 wrote:Could you describe a situation where you don't have a Setlist?

One of my band uses set lists, but they are only rough guides, they never end up being right. We take requests, for one thing. For another, if certain kinds of songs are going over better than others, the list will be updated on the fly for that reason. (And for an example of a situation where there is no set list at all, I've been in the band that backs up the singers on Open Mic night, you never know what song is coming next!)

Quai34 wrote:as soon as you play with others, how could you expect them to be ready for what you decide or you to play what they decide?

Ideally, everyone is always ready to play every song. Assuming the people in the band know the songs, all the bassist, drummer, singer need to do is start. Even the guitarist usually has little or nothing he needs to do to be able to start a song. The keyboard player is the only one likely to need time to set up sounds.

In the old days, it was the same for keyboard players. If you played Hammond and Rhodes, you had a Hammond and Rhodes up there, and you were always ready to play any part (maybe a few seconds to get the right drawbars). Call out a song, play it. Now we're trying to cover all the keyboard sounds ever invented, plus brass, strings, and winds, and do it all from one or two keyboards.

Quai34 wrote:I' m would like to know when you don't use a Setlist and expect ALL musicians to play at their best....

If you know the songs, you don't need to know what order they're coming in to be able to play them at your best. The purpose of a set list isn't for people to play better. The main reason is simply to avoid dead air between songs while the band decides what to play. A secondary reason is to give advance notice to people who may need set-up time, i.e. to call up a chart (or lyrics) if the song isn't memorized, or to get the needed sound.

Getting back to the subject of Pending Load, once we're off the set list (or there's some reason to just not do the next song listed), we will often communicate amongst ourselves toward the end of a song to indicate what the next song is going to be (again, so we can avoid the dead air... sometimes the beat never even stops). So yeah, it could be helpful to "call up" the sound you're going to need to begin the next song, before you're actually ready to play it, i.e. while you're still actually playing the previous song.

Quai34 wrote:Then why you don't prepare the 300 songs in Setlist maker and program all the midi programs you use in each song, attached it to the song and then, just click on the song?

Using SLM can be a great addition, but there are some instances where it doesn't address the Pending Load problem. One is that there's the additional complication of multiple sound changes needed within the one song. As if programming 300 songs into SLM wouldn't be tedious enough, many songs could require multiple patch change events. But for me, the main thing is what I talked about in my post toward the top of this thread... that there are hundreds of songs that just use some combination of the same handful of sounds. It's a waste of prep time to set up hundreds of presets that are such minor variations of each other (and it's a waste of performance time to go through a list of of songs to find the song title you need, just to call up what should be a simple, common setup).

As I described in that earlier post, I set up my NE5D to have some of my most common sounds (piano, rhodes, wurli, B3) on song 1, more of them on song 2 (strings, brass, etc.), so I can quickly switch among the most common sounds on the fly, but I get stung if I'm playing piano (Song 1) and have to get ready to play a brass part for the bridge, since the very act of moving from Song 1 to Song 2 (in anticipation of hitting the brass button when needed) cuts out my piano.
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