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Re: Organ newbie

Postby arvidsson » 18 Aug 2011, 10:42

Thx a lot for the great info. Great examples as well. I guess im a bit stuck with Deep purple so its always nice to hear other good organists. But from what i have learned so far is that a control pedal is a must, will buy one the coming days. Anyone special i should look out for or avoid?
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Re: Organ newbie

Postby Johannes » 18 Aug 2011, 10:58

zippo wrote:What's "JTQ"?


As bdodds mentioned, he is referring to the James Taylor Quartet, excellent B3 stuff!!
My personal all time favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5Qk6DAHNrM

Too the excellent listing of great Hammond stuff by bdodds I would like to add french Eddy Louiss, and some stuff by Emir Deodato.
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Re: Organ newbie

Postby tomzi » 18 Aug 2011, 14:46

...what about Barbara Dennerlein:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EK2PjyF08U
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Re: Organ newbie

Postby bdodds » 18 Aug 2011, 16:01

Barbara is phenomenal as well, the list is huge if you want to cover everyone worth mentioning as an organist. There are a few icons worth listening to for a variety of styles and capabilities:

Gregg Allman for understated power, harmonic tastiness jam-oriented playing - see In the Memory of Elisabeth Reed - any version

James Taylor from JTQ for 60s soul revival with a mod feel - see One Way Street off of The Money Spyder, which is an awesome album that listens like the soundtrack to an un-published 60s spy movie. The song itself is a basic rehash of Crosstown Traffic but it's good.

Steve Winwood to hear how to make the organ a primary instrument while retaining a mainstream feel, Gimmee Some Lovin' being the obvious one, but Empty Spaces and Glad are great examples too.

Keith Emerson, while I didn't mention before, if you can listen to Tarkus you may actually hurt your brain. Unconventional use of organ in the sense of the arrangements and unique amplification.

Any of the Soul Jazz greats - Jimmy Smith, Jack McDuff, Joey D, Barbara Dennerlein (check out her stuff with Dennis Chambers - wow!), Groove Holmes, Jimmy McGriff, Lonnie Smith, the list goes on and on.
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Re: Organ newbie

Postby jazzystu » 22 Aug 2011, 00:40

Most importantly, you can get a crappy leslie imitation cab, like a Sharma and whang your organ output into it. It then sounds as good as any hammond, PLUS you don't have to blow the windows out to get overdrive.

My old C3 and 145 would wake the whole village up and then it would have only just started to break up a bit.

Sharma cabinets are so cheap, they are almost free.
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Re: Organ newbie

Postby bdodds » 22 Aug 2011, 05:27

audioird wrote:Wahou ... technical and artistic guidance we have on this subject ! :thanks:


I get the impression that this forum has a lot of pianists, people very accomplished in the art of piano - I generally can't tell the difference between two grand pianos by ear, though a friend of mine who went to Juilliard for piano has tuned my ear so that I can pick out a nice Steinway D now. I can guess at other makes based on some observations I've had - Yamahas are generally brighter, Bosendorfers are a dead giveaway if I hear a low-low-low C :D but for me the Nords are the best I've heard - I'm certainly not returning my NS2 because of them. :roll:

But some of us are organ dorks, and we've been pedantic about drawbar settings and AO-28s and arguing for days about using 12ax7s or 12at7s or 12au7s in our 147 amps. My quest has been going for an embarrassing 25 years, and I'm a young'un compared to the real techs.

Now actually the Nord doesn't have the best organ I've heard - it falls short in a lot of areas for me, but the whole package is just unbeatable. Things like a quality, purpose-built tube preamp plus a Leslie or a good quality Leslie sim bring the Nord back into a good place for me. But I've spent a lot of time studying and working towards nailing the Hammond sounds I hear everywhere.

audioird wrote:I wonder if we can get this sound with a NS2 :


Possibly - You can get close, but maybe not exact. Every Hammond in creation has a unique sound, it's difficult to make some sound like others depending on how their electronics have aged, or when they were made as there were changes in components throughout the ~40 year run that make fundamental (no pun intended) differences. So a recording you hear, especially an older recording with a (relative to the recording) new organ may sound a bit different. My A-100 can't sound like the one that Joey is playing in that clip - my high end doesn't scream like that, not even close. Mine is mellow and smooth and breaks up as soon as you give the pedal any, it's fantastic for blues and mellower jazz but doesn't scream enough for rock. My experience with the Nord organs is that the high end also is a little thin, getting a thick scream is going to take some boost possibly, something to pull the high mids up a bit. Play with the EQ section a bit, but you may need to get something outboard to help assist that scream somewhat.

I highly recommend that album also, you get to hear Joey D and one of Brother Jack McDuff's last recordings, they play very well together and Joey's organ screams with a huge amount of high-end while Jack's is much more mellow which complement their respective playing styles - Jack being timeless and soulful and Joey being younger and more brash.

audioird wrote:bdodds : the second music you have posted sounds simply amazing to me !! from another planet !! thanks :)


The Medeski, Martin and Wood stuff? Oh please check them out. I followed them quite religiously in the mid 90s and their stuff from that era is still mind blowing though maybe slightly dated, but definitely look them up. I recommend Shack-Man and Friday Afternoon in the Universe, it's still some of the most amazing stuff I've heard.

jazzystu wrote:Sharma cabinets are so cheap, they are almost free.


Oh man, I've never even seen one of those in person - they're not so plentiful in the states.
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Re: Organ newbie

Postby bdodds » 22 Aug 2011, 06:06

arvidsson wrote:Thx a lot for the great info. Great examples as well. I guess im a bit stuck with Deep purple so its always nice to hear other good organists. But from what i have learned so far is that a control pedal is a must, will buy one the coming days. Anyone special i should look out for or avoid?
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Forgot this one - I use Yamaha FC-7s as I have for over 20 years now, the only one I can recommend staying away from if you gig would be the Roland EV-5, which is a fine pedal, but I went through 2 of them while I had my Electro - they don't stand up to gigging. Or maybe I just need to calm down while playing. :)
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Re: Organ newbie

Postby Frantz » 22 Aug 2011, 09:37

Same case, I haven't got one yet, advices are welcome, thx bdodds.

Yamaha FC-7 is 70 € , it seems robust, but can the range be set ?
M-Audio EX-P is 36 € the range can be set, but is it robust ?
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Re: Organ newbie

Postby lennaerttol » 22 Aug 2011, 12:05

IMO the Yamaha FC-7 is great. I've been using it for a few months now and it has never slipped away. I don't know anything about the M-audio pedal, but I wouldn't try a pedal that isn't mentioned in the manual because it might not work on a Nord.
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Re: Organ newbie

Postby Frantz » 22 Aug 2011, 12:14

It works on the Nord Stage 2, I played 5 minutes (morphed the wa-wa) with one in a shop when I did not owned the NS yet.
But I'm not sure it is robust enough.
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