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[jdahms]

In OSv1.22 (and NS2EX and NS2) Dual Kb controls the entire Panel B. Including splits, layers, morphs, etc. The NS3 OSv1.24 upgrade has removed this feature. Dual Kb can only control one instrument. Piano OR Organ OR Synth. No splits. No layers. WHAT THE HECK NORD????? You have just removed a major feature. All the new features in the world can't make up for removing this. Can someone from Nord please comment on this? At this point I am seriously considering returning my brand new NS3 to the store and trying to find an NS2EX

[DanielD71]

Hello
From Clavia:
Dual KB mode now has options for addressing either all of Panel B, or only one of its sections. This is done by keeping Dual KB pressed down and selecting the appropriate setting (Panel, Organ, Piano or Synth) using the dial.

So you can have all engine or select only one.

I did not really played with my NS3 parameters as I have gigs in early December and will use my NS288EX.

Regards

[MrTobbe]

From Clavia:
Dual KB mode now has options for addressing either all of Panel B, or only one of its sections. This is done by keeping Dual KB pressed down and selecting the appropriate setting (Panel, Organ, Piano or Synth) using the dial.

So you can have all engine or select only one.

Unfortunately this is no longer true. You can now (with v1.24) have either Organ, Piano OR Synth, but no longer the whole Panel B with splits and layers.

I have 1.24 loaded in my Stage 3 sw73 and can confirm that the Panel choice is gone, as stated in the update history:

Important: The "Panel" option for Dual KB has been removed. Any Programs stored in Panel mode will after the update be set to "Organ".

I've been in contact with Nord Support and they also confirm that they have chosen to remove the "Panel" option for Dual KB - and they've done so to keep the functionality of the internal keyboard and controls intact, even when Dual KB is engaged, and that "the differences that existed between Panel and "Engine" mode could be perceived as non-intuitive."...

Personally I think it's a step in the wrong direction - I'm was hoping for more flexible MIDI implementation, not less....

I hope that enough users raise their voices, by sending an E-mail directly to Nord support directly so that the Nord team reconsider, and bring back Dual KB Panel mode ASAP.


And for those who are dependent on Dual KB Panel mode - DO not upgrade to 1.24, stay on v1.22 instead.

[Jo Osantos1]

Can i downgrade my NS3?

[jdahms]

Staying on OSv1.22 forever is NOT an option. That would cut me off from future bug fixes, improvements, and possibly cause my keyboard to become incompatible with newer version of the PC tools. Nope ... either Nord fixes this or I'm returning my NS3 to Long and McQuade. Thankfully they have a 60 day no-questions-asked return policy. And I have already sent an email to Nord support.

[Jonnie Cache]

From Clavia:
Dual KB mode now has options for addressing either all of Panel B, or only one of its sections. This is done by keeping Dual KB pressed down and selecting the appropriate setting (Panel, Organ, Piano or Synth) using the dial.

So you can have all engine or select only one.

Unfortunately this is no longer true. You can now (with v1.24) have either Organ, Piano OR Synth, but no longer the whole Panel B with splits and layers.

I have 1.24 loaded in my Stage 3 sw73 and can confirm that the Panel choice is gone, as stated in the update history:

Important: The "Panel" option for Dual KB has been removed. Any Programs stored in Panel mode will after the update be set to "Organ".

I've been in contact with Nord Support and they also confirm that they have chosen to remove the "Panel" option for Dual KB - and they've done so to keep the functionality of the internal keyboard and controls intact, even when Dual KB is engaged, and that "the differences that existed between Panel and "Engine" mode could be perceived as non-intuitive."...

Personally I think it's a step in the wrong direction - I'm was hoping for more flexible MIDI implementation, not less....

I hope that enough users raise their voices, by sending an E-mail directly to Nord support directly so that the Nord team reconsider, and bring back Dual KB Panel mode ASAP.


And for those who are dependent on Dual KB Panel mode - DO not upgrade to 1.24, stay on v1.22 instead.

Haven’t upgraded yet, thankfully. I’m not sure I entirely understand. Are you NOT able to turn on multiple engines at least? So that even if you can’t control it on the panel level, is there no way to enable multiple engines simultaneously?

That could be a big problem for me as well. I don’t care if they call it Panel control or not as long as I can engage multiple engines. Maybe there are other technical reasons for disabling panel for External keyboard?

[DanielD71]

I just sent an email to Clavia. Dual kb is really important to me as well.

Regards

[MrTobbe]

I hope that enough users raise their voices, by sending an E-mail directly to Nord support directly so that the Nord team reconsider, and bring back Dual KB Panel mode ASAP.


And for those who are dependent on Dual KB Panel mode - DO not upgrade to 1.24, stay on v1.22 instead.

Haven’t upgraded yet, thankfully. I’m not sure I entirely understand. Are you NOT able to turn on multiple engines at least? So that even if you can’t control it on the panel level, is there no way to enable multiple engines simultaneously?

Just to make sure we're all talking about the same thing - it's only when Dual KB is activated things have been changed. As long as you don't activate Dual KB everything is like before.
It's what you're playing from an external keyboard, that is transmitting on the Dual KB MIDI channel.

You can no longer have two or three "engines" (Organ, Piano, Synth) at once on the external keyboard, only one, but you can still layer Panel A and B, except for the "engine" you're controlling from the external keyboard. Again - this limitation only applies when Dual KB is activated.
Then of course you still can set levels, edit effects and use all the realtime knobs and buttons, for the internal as well as the "engine" you're playing from an external Dual KB - nothing is changed there. You can't however set a split point. or set a zone for the external Dual KB "engine" part.

That could be a big problem for me as well. I don’t care if they call it Panel control or not as long as I can engage multiple engines. Maybe there are other technical reasons for disabling panel for External keyboard?

I think so too - maybe it was easier to remove some of the functionality for now, to resolve all the bugs in Dual KB mode.

[jdahms]

The question is ... is it "for now" or is it "forever"?

[MrTobbe]

The question is ... is it "for now" or is it "forever"?

I did ask that, but got a very vague answer, so it may come back and it may not, and if it does no-one knows when, at this point.