Nord User Forum

[-Toro-]

and they produce the new revision already. But Clavia f%cked up the early buyers - not very kind of them... :-(

hey! i'm certainly not here to defend Clavia or what so ever. when i bought my NS in 2008 Clavia released the last hardware revision "C" and i bought my "revision B" about 2 weeks earlier. i felt bad about it... at first, because it felt like i did buy an old product. but actually i wasn't.

come on guys. let's break it down. whatever the new revision means, it definitive wasn't a deal breaker for those of you who has bought or ordered a Nord Stage 2 recently, right?? but we are men. and men wants "stuff".
let's not forget you people chosed to buy/order the NS2 because you thought it fit you and that it was reasonably priced.

we see this phenomenon every day. watch the phone manufacturers for example. it feels like it will be a new model every week. do you feel "f%cked up" every time buying a new phone?

my intention is not to provoke you... i just want to get you to look at it from a different angle.
peace!

[djtomy.d1]

I also don't wanna fight, just tell my perspective.
Phone is a little bit cheaper than Stage 2, right? And I am not saying that they should do hardware update, thank god they do. But in this case...everybody who have Nord Stage 2 had to pre-order it. And this mean that you didn't try it live, in most cases, but you trust Clavia that they will do the best, like ever before. But to find out when you receive it that OS isn't finished and now that hardware update is on the way... To get all this BECAUSE you trusted Clavia? Hm...man I tell you this discourage me to trust them again.

[RockyRacoon]

Hej - for sure, the new revision isn´t a deal breaker - and yes - i want that nord stage 2 real badly - but i´ve been selling a lot of stuff to finance that sweet little thing. And this week i wanted to buy my new toy... And then i read those news. Just for understanding - 3500€ is very much money to me - so i want a product that kind of futureproof and "done". I know - there might be a third revision or a stage 2 EX. But not 3 months after the initial release. I want a new toy - a brand new one - not the second best thing... I know - i´m like a children in that case - but thats how i feel about it.

Clavia is a great company with great products, but i guess i will have to wait two weeks more and then we´ll what will happen.

[Ritchie333]

Actually, from my experience, I'd say that Clavia have been a lot better than most when it comes to supporting old products. The fact I've managed to be able to do soft upgrades of my gear, just like a PC, is somewhat revolutionary.

I do see your point that if you introduce a new product, there are going to be teething troubles that are found when all the early adopters get hold of it and try it out in what some of us call "the field", and occasionally yeah this might have to involve a hardware mod. Stuff happens. Doesn't mean it's not annoying, though.

Also, I'm not sure if the total usage cost of a phone is cheaper than a Nord, when you consider the average lifetime of most phones is 18 - 24 months max.

[-Toro-]

i feel for you guys. and i really do understand the frustration.

i must say that it's a surprise to me Clavia's been shipping this new model with so many bugs. for example i've read (in this forum) that the menues are incomplete according to the manual. this is the main reason i haven't ordered a NS2 yet. i am a gigging musician and i have to be sure everything i "in place" when i receive it. it just has to work in my setup from start.

i stand for that all products should be tried out before buying them. but in this case i've allready made my decision to buy the NS2. i've based that upon the specifics, the youtube videos and the fact that i'm allready an NS owner. the NS2 suits me, with or without the revision. so if any of you guys feel like selling the "old" NS2 to me when it's "stable", just send me a PM. :-)

my comparison with the phones are more of principle. a keyboard is definitely an investment (and also your partner!) for several years. but the more important you are sure it match your needs and your expectations...

[Cbas]

Yeah the Rev.A or B is definitly not a deal breaker, but I too feel somewhat that I want the newest thing. Especially when spending so much money, you would expect it to atleast last a year before getting upgraded. However it is a very minor upgrade, and of course Clavia will continue releasing software updates and new samples for everyone like they always have. I say we are lucky to have a company like Clavia that continues to support it's customers. They always try to upgrade their keyboards by software as much as possible, so it is free for everyone who has bought a product from them. Unlike most other products that get a EX/GX/ES tag and what not every year.
On top of that, Nords are imo the: best sounding, most lightweight, fastest/easy to edit on the fly and best looking keyboards being made. So bying a NS2 was a no-brainer for me even with out trying it before purchase.

[Siriosys]

Well, I think I better confess up to providing Johannes with the information regarding the Revision B of the NS2.

Yesterday I put down a deposit on a NS2 without having played or seen one yet and although I will probably be lucky enough to get the Rev B version, I'm not cut up if I end up Rev A either. I'm a tech person from way back and can't help but get annoyed when I've got an older version of something, but it's important to remember that our reasons for purchasing the keyboards in the first place is because at the time of our awareness of them, we wanted them.

The info from Nord clearly implies that they investigated implementing the changes in software because they made a specific reference to it not being able to be supplied as part of a a future software upgrade, so I guess you could at least say that they had considered existing users.

As I said, I'm not yet a Nord owner, but I'm impressed with their support to their customers with regular software updates and an ever-increasing library of high quality samples which span a huge variety of musical styles. I just sold my Korg SV1 to get some money for an NS2 - and the reason for selling it, apart from the horrible keyboard, was that Korg seemed to have forgotten it - there's been few and far between updates and the selection of sounds available is very limited.

I have often thought that Nord products are a bit like Apple's products. They're premium, they're expensive, they're always evolving and most importantly, they're innovative - and because of that, you will always run into issues where you have just purchased a superseded model. As has been said before, Nord manages to implement a lot of enhancements through software and therefore the need for a sudden hardware Revision is quite probably a decision that they didn't make lightly.

[arecio]

Hi!
I would like to start a thread where we could exchange our thoughts about what could be improved in NS,
or what we don't like.

Here I start:
- Why the 73 goes from F to F??? I think it should be C-C. If you play organ, the B3 goes into this register,
and if you play left hand bass F is a bit higher than electric bass, and C should be much useful.

- Reverb: Why reverb only in channels 1&2 ?
I think this is not the best way to manage with the reverb effect. For example, you may need in the same
setup an organ mostly wet but at the same time a rhodes or mellotron with little reverb. This may be solved
doing a dedicated menu configuration, where we could choose the amount of reverb that we need for each part.

- The organ drive/expression/volume thing.
I think the actual configuration of the expression pedal on organ is not the best for live purposes.
It's ok if you're using the expression pedal in "swell" but I think I should be possible to use it without
affecting to drive amount. The explanation is simple: playing live maybe you want to use a piano sound but
sometimes layer a bit or overdriven organ lower in volume. Now this can't be achieved.

- Case zippers always brake!! They don't last a year! (almost for me).

Happy nord to everyone!

[cleito]

Hi,
I don't know if its the same thing you are looking to talk about in this tread but, there's a post that is talking about missing features on the NS2.
You can take a look here:
https://www.norduserforum.com/nord-stage-forum-f3/something-missing-on-the-ns2--t516.html

[Klangwerk]

Hi Guys,
there is something I don´t understand.
What do you mean with pedal use for rotary switch?
The NS2 has (like NS classic did) a rotor speed jack. So you can use another sustain pedal to switch the rotor speed.
Why do you want to switch it by the sustain pedal, maybe you need it for a piano-layer sound? Do you not have a second pedal?
Or is it something I don´t understand?
Thanks.

Helmuth