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Re: NS2 Wish List: Something missing on the NS2?

Postby Maxwell » 02 Apr 2014, 14:20

The vibrato setting in the synth is far to mild for my taste even after maxing it out in the prefs. I would like increase the amount to more than 50 cents. Also it would be nice to save the amount with the synth patch.
Also midi clock out would be really useful, but I'm sure someone has mentioned that already.
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Re: NS2 Wish List: Something missing on the NS2?

Postby hector space » 10 Apr 2014, 12:09

Ok I've had a scan through this subject. Here's two fundamental omissions that should be put right ASAP.. Or sooner!!

1. All eight instrument sections (Org A, Pno A, Synth A, Extern A, Org B, Pno B, Synth B, Extern B) should respond to midi cc 11 and cc 07 when received on their individual section channel midi.

2. The Swell pedal should be assignable to each individual section in any combination. E.G. So you can use it to swell strings on the synth section in slot B whilst using the control pedal to control brass on the synth section in slot B. etc Simples!

3. Like the instrument sound output routing (1+2, 3+4, 3, 4) rather than just being global, the Stage's midi configuration should be save-able as part of each program. Just like a proper midi master keyboard!!!

I'm personally amazed that the above haven't been already implemented.. This is supposedly a Flagship keyboard with full master controller features.. Laugh I nearly bought a PX5s!! :lol:

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Re: NS2 Wish List: Something missing on the NS2?

Postby Mr_-G- » 10 Apr 2014, 21:59

hector space wrote:2. The Swell pedal should be assignable to each individual section in any combination. E.G. So you can use it to swell strings on the synth section in slot B whilst using the control pedal to control brass on the synth section in slot B. etc Simples!


You perhaps mean strings in slot A and brass in slot B? You do that via morphing using an expression pedal.
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Re: NS2 Wish List: Something missing on the NS2?

Postby maxpiano » 10 Apr 2014, 23:02

Mr_-G- wrote:
hector space wrote:2. The Swell pedal should be assignable to each individual section in any combination. E.G. So you can use it to swell strings on the synth section in slot B whilst using the control pedal to control brass on the synth section in slot B. etc Simples!


You perhaps mean strings in slot A and brass in slot B? You do that via morphing using an expression pedal.


I think he means having the Swell pedal as a "Ctrlped2" additional and independent morphing source
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Re: NS2 Wish List: Something missing on the NS2?

Postby hector space » 11 Apr 2014, 01:23

May be we should move beyond morphing. I personally do not see volume control or expression as something as exotic as a morph. to me its bread and butter control of an individual section's loudness!!

Currently the swell pedal on the NS2 is a limp appendage hanging off the back of the instrument providing a very limited set of facilities. Organ swell or overall volume. It is a bazaar 'feature'.

Roland's versatile cofiguration on the RD700 SX, GX and NX makes much, much more sense. In fact it is particularly frustrating because the swell pedal input exists on the NS2 when an equivalent half pedal damper such as the Roland DP10 cannot be used as a sustain pedal to provide proper damping without a shed load of extra weight and cost in the three pedal unit Nord sell.

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Re: NS2 Wish List: Something missing on the NS2?

Postby hector space » 23 Apr 2014, 13:40

Dynamic midi configuration. That is the midi channel assignment is stored along with the program. Just like the signal routing. There should be an option in the system menu to choose either global midi configuration or program midi configuration.

For any keyboard that claims to be a master keyboard, ie a keyboard that is used to control other devices, dynamic midi configuration is critical, the NS2's external sections go someway towards this, but the implementation is incomplete. Similarly controlling the NS2's internal sounds from external keyboards demands dynamic channel selection, in order to cope with the different patch requirements of each song in a performance on stage.

It is kind of weird that Nord haven't had this from the start. It's a given on most keyboards of this standard, especially master stage keyboards.

You are driven from the start to want to play the NS2's organs, strings and synth pads from a second keyboard. Especially with the HA88, you will want to control the complete setup from the NS2, ie select one program from the Ns2 panel to configure the whole rig. But as soon as you realise there are times when using dual keyboard or slot b stop you from accessing a sound section in the other slot, you need to be able to dynamically enable the midi channels on the individual sections, to control these whilst they are switched out from the slot.

It is fine controlling slot b sounds from an external keyboard, using the midi channel for slot b, you can save in a program the complete configuration of sounds in that slot including a morph to control the volume of enabled sections via mod wheel!! But should you want to control two synth sections from the external keyboard, Or control two piano sections from the Stage's keyboard whilst driving the organ from the external keyboard. You can't!! Unless you reconfigure the midi routing. That is impractical in the middle of a gig between songs. The punters will have left the dance floor.

Poor show Nord!!

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Re: NS2 Wish List: Something missing on the NS2?

Postby mal7896 » 02 Jun 2014, 04:38

1) More control over keyboard touch like Roland RD700GX/NX (not just soft, normal and hard)
2) Updated organ engine
3) Unlimited split points, rather than 4ths
4) Lighter if possible. Certainly not heavier. (and keep the compact size the same)
5) More memory

But overall I'm very happy with my NS2 76 :-)
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Re: NS2 Wish List: Something missing on the NS2?

Postby laurentprd » 15 Jul 2014, 15:17

My Wish List:

- Audio over USB( or Thunderbolt! ). Could send all instruments into 6 seperate digital stereo outputs for seperate real time mix processing. I don't think there are any technical speed limitations with USB 3.0 or thunderbolt.

- The synth section is only exploited by 2 instruments. which is poor for such feature (sample and osc). We should be able to use at least 4 instruments simustaneously (over midi channel). the sounds of NS are just great and it is a pity we are limited by 2 instruments, I guess it would imply a bit of redesign though.

Nothing more for me right now

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Re: NS2 Wish List: Something missing on the NS2?

Postby KolaSiro » 07 Sep 2014, 09:53

Before I begin.
I do not want complain at all. People at CLAVIA make a very good job, they listen to the users carefully.
Musician, esp. Keyboard-Players are very individual persons...it is hard to find good way to fit it all!
Piano-, Organ and Synth-Player are totally different.

Piano
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1. Piano sounds are oft with a lot of bass. I often have to remove bass in the eq section.
Eq controls or eq switches for Piano sounds would be nice also.
Another way could be to download piano sound which are specially tone-ed. Instead of use
very naturally Piano sounds. Please create your own Piano sound (THE CLAVIA PIANO SOUND !)

Synth section
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1. The eq bass and treble controls moved away! (I use it a lot in NS Classic)
And there is also no BASS/TREBLE in NordLead A1, NordLead 2/3/4, but I'm lucky, there are in NordWave!
2. LFO Rate set to 0 Hz (switch off), not only to 0.03 Hz.
3. Give me back the categories (Bass, Pad, Synth) which was very convenient in NS Classic
4. Unison button: I don't like that they replaced the Unison knob with a button.

Effect Section
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1. Flange 2 (from NS Classic) is gone, I liked the deep sound a lot. ( I miss it in NS2)
2. Delay is to short.

Organ Section
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Sometimes, I miss a kind of sustain/release (ADSR) to change (extend) the sound.
Please create your own Organ sound, not only reproduce original instruments.

Hardware
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1. XLR-OUTPUT or simple balanced output (2x Jack 6.3mm ) for PA.
2. Line-Output for my own monitoring with separate volume control.
3. Some stages are very dark. I would like to have a kind of BNC-Plug - integrated in NS - to plug-in 2 or 3 LED-lamps (as the live mixing-desks have).
4. Line-Input to plug-in (and control) other Instruments (Sampler, Expander, CD-Player, etc.), so I could left my key-mixing desk at home.
5. Red keyboard stands would be nice.
6. Switch from panel 1 to panel 2 with a foot-switch.

I would miss the most, if it moved away in Nord Stage 3
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- Switch from panel 1 to panel 2 without interruption.
- Easy Programming
- Keyboard-Splitpoints with LEDs.
- Aftertouch
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Re: NS2 Wish List: Something missing on the NS2?

Postby zoooombiex » 13 Sep 2014, 21:04

I love my NS2, but there are some good suggestions in the OP. I +1'd the ones I had been thinking about. I also had two additional suggestions, forgive me if others have made them already-

1. For the organ swell pedal control, add an option to make the swell pedal go all the way to off. (Maybe three settings, vintage, off, and something between). When switching from an organ patch to piano mid-song, I like to activate the piano and then fade out the organ. But sometimes in quiet parts it's not seamless because the organ swell control doesn't go to all the way off. The Hammond XK3c had this option and I really liked it.

2. This is more a suggestion for the next generation Stage, but for the organ drawbars, switching from separate up/down buttons to a single, two-way toggle. Something that looks like this:

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(I'm not suggesting that specific toggle. Just something that is momentary in both directions, and with a tall enough toggle stem to be easily grabbed)

IMO, a toggle would be a better compromise. You keep the benefits of the current setup - you could still have organ presets (press the preset switch and then push a drawbar toggle up or down), and the organ presets would load automatically without confusion as to where physical drawbars were located. But IMO it would offer better physical interaction. The act of pushing or pulling the toggle would be closer to pushing/pulling the drawbar. And some of the same drawbar techniques would carry over (grabbing a bunch in your hand at once and manipulating the curve of them all at once).




Of the suggestions in the OP, I'd take any of them, but really like these:

Missing low E-key on the Compact/Electro 73 (=> Compact 76) +2
Single Sustain Pedal with Pedal Noise and half-pedaling +3
>>>>>Clav Mute Samples with the MOD wheel<<<<<<< big +1 to this
Programmable pitch bend range (+/- 12 or 24 semitones, preferable stored in patches)
Reverb not global but for each instrument (or panel)
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