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Re: NS2 to NS3 program converter.

Postby analogika » 05 Nov 2017, 15:29

storklund wrote:
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storklund wrote:Hi
Same problem here..
I can't do that. To many programs..Sorry to say, but I have to sell my N3 and continue with my N2.

Thanks for answers.
Martin J

You mean, you bought your Nord Stage 3 expecting a way to transfer your old patches, and the lack of such a tool is what’s causing you to sell it again?

Really?

I know...it's sounds stupid. But when your sitting with 100 special made programs... :) :) and many gigs ahead. And I'm wondering wy... Its the same pianos, organs, synths. It should be easy to make the same file ends to? So I just could relink the programs to the right sounds.
Then..maybe next year comes NS4? :) :)

The pianos and organs take literally seconds to set up (shift + parameter knob twist on the old machine, set parameter to same value on new machine), and the synth is so vastly different that there is no point whatsoever in trying to automate the transfer.
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Re: NS2 to NS3 program converter.

Postby anotherscott » 05 Nov 2017, 15:41

True that the synth is different, and Nord does have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but an NS2->NS3 converter seems feasible. I believe the NS3 has all the same 2-slot's-worth of ext, piano, and organ Program parameters that the NS2 had, and while the synth and effects sections are different, most (all?) of those NS2 parameters have equivalents in the NS3, so even if it doesn't sound identical, it should at least be able to give you a close staring point for most programs. The biggest likely source of difference might be synth sounds that use samples. If samples were referenced by position rather than name (which was at least the case for the NS3 prior to 1.2.2 so I assume is probably how it was done on the NS2), any converter might not be able to reliably locate the appropriate sample. Still, a converter that requires you to respecify the associated sample is a lot better than having to respecify absolutely everything, as we have to do now in the absence of any converter at all. Though maybe Nord doesn't want to deal with any negative feedback they might get from a "flawed" converter, and may decide it's better to offer none at all...?

If Nord has no interest in doing this, it would be cool if they'd release the file specs for NS2 and NS3 programs, so some industrious Nord-owning programmer might be able to come up with something.
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Re: NS2 to NS3 program converter.

Postby lordy » 05 Nov 2017, 15:52

Nord is going to make their ns3 users angry. They did not respect the release date.
Don’t tell me it is hard to make a converter nsmp to nsmp3, at least waiting for a new sample editor.
No, i think nord is doing a fault of communication, they let pros. I got my ns3 since 2 or 3 months , any nothing new to get our own sounds inside the unit. 3 months to do a little converter ? No, they just are not in a hurry
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Re: NS2 to NS3 program converter.

Postby anotherscott » 05 Nov 2017, 16:29

analogika wrote:The pianos and organs take literally seconds to set up (shift + parameter knob twist on the old machine, set parameter to same value on new machine)

Even seconds add up, if you have a couple of hundred programs. And even just a piano/organ Program can consist of a substantial number of settings, when you factor in splits/layers, effects, morphs. Also, this requires that you still have possession of your NS2, and didn't sell it or trade it in to fund the purchase of your NS3.

analogika wrote:the synth is so vastly different that there is no point whatsoever in trying to automate the transfer.

The NS3 synth is far more capable, but most NS2 synth parameters have equivalents, even if they might sound with a slightly different character. In many ways, the NS3 synth is a kind of superset of the NS2 synth. (The NS3 LFO button allows you to select more waveforms than you could on the NS2, but every NS2 waveform is still there for example.) Almost every knob and button in the NS2 synth section has an exact equivalent on the NS3. Some corresponding settings could be tricker than they appear, but many are straight-forward. A waveform or a rate or a cutoff frequency (at a given filter slope) is what it is. There are some things that might not come over as well (filter resonance might behave differently, for example), but most settings should have rough equivalents. That doesn't mean that the settings for the equivalent control necessarily relate to the same number... it is possible that on some parameter, a setting of 5 on the NS2 is more like a setting of 6 on the NS3 or whatever, but that's the kind of thing a conversion utility could address, as most of these should be constants.

BTW, in looking at the manuals, unless I missed something, it seems that there are two things the NS2 could morph that the NS3 can't... the rate for Effect 2, and an Ext parameter. So those are two other settings that would not come over in a conversion.
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Re: NS2 to NS3 program converter.

Postby anotherscott » 05 Nov 2017, 16:41

lordy wrote:Nord is going to make their ns3 users angry. They did not respect the release date.

Release dates are always best estimates. If something were ready, it would be released already. If something is not ready, it is impossible to know with 100% certainty when it will be ready. Especially when it comes to software.

lordy wrote:Don’t tell me it is hard to make a converter nsmp to nsmp3, at least waiting for a new sample editor.
No, i think nord is doing a fault of communication, they let pros. I got my ns3 since 2 or 3 months , any nothing new to get our own sounds inside the unit. 3 months to do a little converter ? No, they just are not in a hurry

If you know for certain that these things should be easy, then maybe you should offer your programming skills to Nord! Obviously, these things are more difficult than they expected them to be, because, well, they missed the release dates. Again I'd suggest that nobody buy an NS3 if they absolutely need some function that it does not yet have. I do think Nord's communication could be better... that's under their control, even if the exact timing of when something will be done is not.
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Re: NS2 to NS3 program converter.

Postby analogika » 05 Nov 2017, 23:13

lordy wrote:Nord is going to make their ns3 users angry. They did not respect the release date.
Don’t tell me it is hard to make a converter nsmp to nsmp3, at least waiting for a new sample editor.
No, i think nord is doing a fault of communication, they let pros. I got my ns3 since 2 or 3 months , any nothing new to get our own sounds inside the unit. 3 months to do a little converter ? No, they just are not in a hurry

I think we can safely assume that you have absolutely no idea how little or how much work it is to build a converter from .nsmp to .nsmp3 - since we also do not know what the actual difference between them is.

Clavia is not a company of six hundred people. They are thirty employees, and if the guy (or two guys) doing the software are sick for a week (or their family - or they get caught up in fixing unexpected bugs in the machine software), then release dates slip.

I’d rather they release it when it’s done, than keep the date.

Such is the plight of buying from small companies.

And don’t believe for a second that big companies are any better - as mentioned, the JX-10 - Roland’s flagship at the time - shipped with an utterly broken MIDI implementation that was NEVER fixed until somebody rewrote the entire system software thirty years later.
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Re: NS2 to NS3 program converter.

Postby pablomastodon » 09 Nov 2017, 06:03

someone rewrote the JX-10 firmware? Will it load into an MKS-80?

and I believe that you're exaggerating, analogika -- not sure that they've hit 30 people yet, perhaps 27-28...
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Re: NS2 to NS3 program converter.

Postby maxpiano » 09 Nov 2017, 08:02

pablomastodon wrote:someone rewrote the JX-10 firmware? Will it load into an MKS-80?

and I believe that you're exaggerating, analogika -- not sure that they've hit 30 people yet, perhaps 27-28...


http://www.vecoven.com/superjx/superjx.html
It will load into an MKS70, which is the rack version of JX-10, not the MKS80 (rack of the Jupiter 6/8 family)
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Re: NS2 to NS3 program converter.

Postby analogika » 09 Nov 2017, 09:53

^ Correct.

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Re: NS2 to NS3 program converter.

Postby Thomas H » 22 Nov 2017, 09:51

I'm always astonished by the fact that some people don't even read through at least the most basic description of an instrument from the company's website before sinking thousands of euros/dollars into it.. :o
Just the basic description says that the NS3 has the synth engine of the Lead A1 while in the NS2/2EX it's borrowed from the Wave. Clavia has never had a system of converting/transfering sounds from an older model to a newer one.
The file ends are different with the NS3 and it even has it's own sample library.

Please read some basic info (and maybe even a few quality reviews pointing out the cons not clearly advertised in Nord's site) before buying something like this :)

EDIT: Sorry, replied before I noticed that this thread has more than one page..
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