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Re: List of Nord Stage 2 known issues/bugs

Postby Berretje » 04 Apr 2014, 10:02

godyn wrote:
Mr_-G- wrote:
godyn wrote:When using the sustain pedal on organ sounds:
- releasing the keys when holding sustain gies a louder sound
- playing multiple notes with sustain gives polifony problems, you don't hear the last keys pressed.
I'm on 1.72


I never saw that behaviour, so perhaps it is your instrument, not a bug present in all NS2s.
Can you check in which port you have connected the sustain pedal?
Do you have anything else connected (midi/usb)?


Yes, I've found out, it's because of the connected USB probably :) Me happy it's fixed !
One thing: I find the organ is not so loud at it's max volume. I think I'm going to reprogram the other sounds.


If you are using the rotary speakers simulator, you could probably try to turn that up just before it starts to overdrive.
Or turn up the gain at the Amp Sim/Equalizer.

But nevertheless, maybe you could try to turn down the other parts en raise the main volume :)

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Re: List of Nord Stage 2 known issues/bugs

Postby hector space » 10 Apr 2014, 11:42

I've got a couple Midi problems with my Stage 2 Rev B os v1.72.

1. In instrument mode (setting up separate midi input channels for each of the 3 sound sections in each slot) The NS2 does not to respond to Volume (CC 7) or Expression (CC 11), sent on the instrument channel selected. Yet it will respond to pitch bend and obviously, play the notes! In other words you can play the instrument (organ, piano, synth) remotely via midi (or midi usb) on its selected channel, but you can't change its volume remotely on this channel. Looks like this is the sort of bug (Feature) you used to get on 1980's synths!!!! :lol:

2. It seems to be possible to crash the NS2's midi input processor so that it refuses to listen and respond to midi input on Channel(slot) B if you subsequently enable Channel(slot) A midi input. Once the NS2 has stopped responding to Channel B midi input, I've found only two ways of restarting it. Power ON/OFF or set Channel A Midi to off and then set Channel B Midi to off.. Then reset Channel B Midi to the desired input channel. Hey presto! It all works again.. Simply switching off Channel A midi doesn't work. The NS2 doesn't seem to be able to cope with having both Channels midi enabled. So why does it let you do it???

E.G. If I set Channel (slot) B to midi channel 11 (With Global off and Dual Channel off) the NS2 will happily allow input from my Juno DI to control Channel B - Regardless of the slots enabled from the Nord's own keyboard. In other words I can have either slots or both on and the Juno Di will continue to play only slot B like you'd expect. But as soon as I set up Channel A midi input to (say) channel 10, the midi input from the Di on channel 11 is suspended. Note too that I am using the Di's control pedal set to Modulation to control a morph on Slot b which is set to control the volumes of the organ and synth sections on that slot - All of which works until I enable Channel A midi input...

Any ideas on this would be interesting. :*:
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Re: List of Nord Stage 2 known issues/bugs

Postby pablomastodon » 12 Apr 2014, 09:27

Hi Hector,

Your use of the word channel in multiple senses makes reading this very confusing.... The manual uses the term Slot, and the graphics printed on the front panel does the same. Please keep in mind that many of our forum members are not native-English speakers...

1) because life can get very confusing when running multiple instrument sections if each responds to cc7, so instead discrete cc numbers are assigned for organ, synth and piano level. If you want to control those levels, simply send the data on the appropriate cc number.

2) if you are trying to run the six instrument sections as independently addressed voices on discrete midi channels, it will confuse matters if you also assign Slot midi channels to anything other than OFF.

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Re: List of Nord Stage 2 known issues/bugs

Postby hector space » 12 Apr 2014, 13:13

Hi, Thanks for your input. I hadn't thought about the language barrier, English being my first and only language, I suppose I'm a little arrogant ( or even English!) about it. So I'm sorry not to be making my self clear.

Midi as a standard has been around since 1983 and I've been playing keyboards professionally since 1977. In the last 35 years I've had the great pleasure of owning and playing almost all the classic keyboards there have been. My latest acquisition of the NS 2 HA 88 is just a happy part of that. Multi timbal synths are nothing new. They were something to wow about in the 80’s. Back then the standard set of midi messages needed to work in a multitimbral environment was firmly established. It has be a core 'given' on synths and sequencers ever since. Individual manufacturers may add features through system exclusive messages or undefined controller codes, but by and large you can expect them to follow the convention. Especially top flight products. It is now 2014. Do we need a new wheel invented?

Nord have chosen an idiosyncratic route with the NS2. Their midi implementation is patchy and flawed. Yes you can use cc 112 to adjust the volume on a synth instrument section. And the NS 2 will obey cc112 volume messages received on the instrument specific channel. But, this isn't convention and it doesn't integrate easily with any other manufacturer's midi systems.

I should also point out that cc112 is an absolute volume control. Really for proper stage performance you need cc11 (expression), which does not change the maximum volume set but adjusts the volume within that range. This allows swell within a premixed range, which exactly what you want for strings, synth pads and other un dynamic sounds. Since 1978 my rule has been organ, strings, brass and synth parts need swell, piano, electric piano and clavs don't. That's what foot pedals are for!!! You need two assignable foot controllers because you can play at least two parts at once!

Really if Nord want to join the global midi party they should implement both volume cc07 and expression cc11 for each instrument.

If Nord had made the Swell pedal properly assignable to individual parts it would have mitigated this situation but they haven't, so instead you need an external midi foot pedal.. Assigned to what!! And since the midi configuration isn't dynamically stored with each program, you need a midi foot pedal that will change its configuration from one song/program to the next!!

Further to this I have found that when the NS 2 is being sent midi on a channel assigned uniquely to synth b slot 2, the NS2 will not only receive and respond to controllers defined for the synth section (eg cc112) but I can also change the organ volume by sending cc100 (on the same midi channel!). It suggests that any of Nord's midi controllers defined on page 62 of the manual will work across the whole slot panel regardless of the fact that you are sending messages only to one instrument. That isn't a good thing and it means the NS at heart really hasn't embraced multitimbrality in its midi processing.

All this might seem confusing and unnecessary, both the truth is that if you are using the NS 2 fully in a gigging situation, ie with both hands playing different parts and both feet using control pedals, you need the flexibility of full and individual control.

Indeed the flexibility provided by being able to control each instrument independently become even more important when your realise that the NS2's midi configuration is not dynamic. That is you cannot change the midi configuration from one song to the next without digging into the midi menus. Really just like the section signal routing, the NS2 should provide the user the option of storing the whole midi configuration along with the program.

Not everyone drives the Stage this hard, but to me it's a work horse that has the potential of replacing my current three keyboard rig with two. With its reduced weight and excellent organ simulation there is nothing to beat it. But it's midi implementation is poor and confused and its control and swell pedal assignment is weak. These failures do not warrant describing it as a master controller or a fully multi timbral synth. Certainly when compared to my RD700SX c2005, the NS2 is barely on the map!
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Re: List of Nord Stage 2 known issues/bugs

Postby pablomastodon » 12 Apr 2014, 18:18

The NS2 is, as you correctly point out, a different animal. It is neither a master controller nor a fully multi-timbral synth and I'm not aware of who is describing it as such. People may make casual references to that effect on forums; perhaps an overly excitable salesperson at a retail outlet somewhere. But I don't think that Nord is making those claims.

The NS2 has some unique features for performing controller functions, most notably the External Section (I really love me some External Sections, wouldn't mind to have two per slot). But it doesn't have assignable faders/knobs/buttons for true master controller functionality, no start/stop/rewind. These are not things which Nord is trying to do with this instrument.

Similarly, it has some multi-timbral possibilities, but it is not intended to be a "true" multitimbral synth. On the models produced by "those other people," one can go into performance/combination mode and drive different midi channels completely independently, send program changes, volume/expression cc, etc. The Nord does not do this; they are not trying to emulate the designs of others in this aspect (or any other, really). It is a different design and a very elegant one at that.

The main point on which I will completely agree with you is that it would really be lovely to have midi settings be programmable on a per-program basis, which they already do in the External Section (optionally - you get to choose whether global or per-program). This may be something of a technical challenge. Each individual program would need to be expanded in size to accommodate all that extra data, possibly consuming space that is being used for other more important functions. As with many things in life, trade-offs are involved. Perhaps down the road there will be an expansion into this area; I think that would be very useful for my musical needs. DISCLAIMER: I have NO insider information as to future developments at Nord. This is just me talking here. I learn about new developments, at most, 48-72 hours before released to the general public, and usually get that sort of news from the website same as everyone else.

It may be that you are accustomed to other designs. Comparing the Nord design on this kind of detailed basis may yield differences in function, but "patchy and flawed" is a grotesque distortion IMHO. Of course, I'm a relative newcomer to the world of midi; I didn't start getting into those studies until 1985...(was on sabbatical from music in 83 and 84).

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Re: List of Nord Stage 2 known issues/bugs

Postby art507 » 31 May 2014, 17:27

Hello. I have a problem with my Nord stage 2. There is a button ''Release'' in synth section (mod envelope).
I turn on the instrument, and do nothing, but on the screen I can see that spontaneously change the parameters of this botton (for example,from 20 milliseconds to 130 ). I have done full restore and update my instrument to v1.72, but nothing has changed. Would you tell me please what it can be? Anybody have this problem?
Thank you!

There is the video of my problem
http://youtu.be/0fV04H4nylI
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bug : MkV ClosIdeal "Long Release"

Postby emielskey » 25 Jun 2014, 13:31

Hey Everybody,

I stumbled upon something here, namely the Long Release button is behaving opposite of what it should be doing. can someone verify that?
Watch on youtube.com


edit: maybe on second thoughts, its right after all: long release= NO release sample, long release turned off = release sample?
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Re: List of Nord Stage 2 known issues/bugs

Postby romanovserj » 27 Jun 2014, 00:58

Nord Stage 2
Instrument OS version: 1.72
There was a problem with the organ
section. Sometimes the volume drops sharply in organ sections. Change preset
does not help. Rebooting does not help. While it is necessary to twist the
drive at maximum. After some time off after all bounces
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Re: List of Nord Stage 2 known issues/bugs

Postby Mr_-G- » 27 Jun 2014, 09:18

I thought that this was just a perception issue, but this is the 3rd report on this!
What is needed is a way to reproduce it.
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Re: List of Nord Stage 2 known issues/bugs

Postby art507 » 12 Jul 2014, 02:24

art507 wrote:Hello. I have a problem with my Nord stage 2. There is a button ''Release'' in synth section (mod envelope).
I turn on the instrument, and do nothing, but on the screen I can see that spontaneously change the parameters of this botton (for example,from 20 milliseconds to 130 ). I have done full restore and update my instrument to v1.72, but nothing has changed. Would you tell me please what it can be? Anybody have this problem?
Thank you!

There is the video of my problem
http://youtu.be/0fV04H4nylI



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