General Discussion of the Nord Stage (EX), Nord Stage 2 (EX), Nord Stage 3, and Nord Stage 4 Synths, FAQ, Troubleshooting etc.

Re: Goodbye Nord Stage 3

Postby DJKeys » 10 Nov 2017, 01:20

Gambold wrote:
I would never buy a Nord Stage, they are way too expensive, and the Electro does everything the Stage does except the synth - and come on, synth, really? If you must have one, get a dedicated one for your studio, Brian Eno, and if you're forced to drag it on stage to make synthy sounds while your band wails away, I'm very sorry for you.

Indeed - tell your band they can choose from a wide range of wonderful Nord keyboards and samples, and if they insist you play synth up there...find another band.


The Top 40 music I play in hotels and venues could not be performed without LOTS of synth sounds(Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Maroon 5 etc). Also, string sounds, horn sounds, sound FX, arpeggios, the list goes on. Even classic rock bands need some synth sounds (Bon jovi, Foreigner, even Van Halen). Bands (at least where I live) who can get by with a keyboard player having just piano/organ/electric piano/clav are few and far between. YMMV.

-dj
Last edited by DJKeys on 10 Nov 2017, 01:37, edited 2 times in total.

Nord Stage 3
Nord Wave 2
Yamaha U3
iMac i7 13.5.2
Studio One 5.5.2
Nektar T4
Drawmer DL 241
Focusrite ISA Two
Focusrite Clarett 8 Pre
User avatar
DJKeys
Patch Creator
 
Posts: 2023
Joined: 11 Apr 2011, 17:11
Location: Las Vegas
Country: United States of America
Has thanked: 407 times
Been thanked: 810 times
Your Nord Gear #1: Nord Stage 3
Your Nord Gear #2: Nord Wave 2

Re: Goodbye Nord Stage 3


Sponsor
 

Re: Goodbye Nord Stage 3

Postby derrellpiper » 10 Nov 2017, 01:36

I love my Nord Stage 3, I’m trying to learn Moonlight Sonata on it. If you hate yours, give it back.
Linnstrument, Pro 3 SE, Tempest, Prophet 10 & 12, Synclavier Regen, Cirklon 2, Torso T-1, Max/Ableton/Push 3, Kawai MP11SE, Pioneer Pro XDJ-XZ.

The author derrellpiper was thanked by:
Fallboard
derrellpiper
 
Posts: 226
Joined: 11 Aug 2016, 19:12
Location: San Rafael, CA
Country: United States of America
Has thanked: 23 times
Been thanked: 42 times
Your Nord Gear #1: Nord Lead 3

Re: Goodbye Nord Stage 3

Postby Jonnie Cache » 10 Nov 2017, 13:01

jdahms wrote:I don't think anyone is trolling here. I certainly don't work for a competing company. Let me be clear ... I still have an NS2EX and I love it. So Nord really hasn't lost a customer. Just a sale. But I think Nord really dropped the ball here. REMOVING A FEATURE AFTER RELEASE is unforgivable. Imagine if your car manufacturer rolled out a firmware upgrade that disabled your cruise control. Nord is not being transparent. They aren't even replying to my support queries. So I'm taking the only remedy I can. Returning the product for a refund.

Jonnie, It may be fit for your purpose, but it is not fit for mine. I use Dual Kb a LOT. And I have a pedal attached to each keyboard to do morphs on both keyboards. For example, my band plays Have a Cigar by Pink Floyd. On my NS2 I have a patch that has a Clav/Solina Strings split on the Nord and a Rhodes/Synth split on the external KB. We also do Double Vision by Foreigner. Horn/Organ split on the Nord and a Piano with a pedal Morph to fade in strings on the external.


I don’t disagree that removing the DualKB panel is a big complaint. It is. But there is a workaround. I have tried setting it to MIDI channel 2 and it seems to work fine. Knowing Nord, I'm sure there is a reason they did this. They owe us an explanation. But that's my only complaint. The board is otherwise awesome.
User avatar
Jonnie Cache
 
Posts: 75
Joined: 30 Jun 2017, 19:46
Country: United States of America
Has thanked: 33 times
Been thanked: 6 times

Goodbye Nord Stage 3

Postby Jonnie Cache » 10 Nov 2017, 13:06

harmonizer wrote:
Jonnie Cache wrote:.....Let's see... You bought the Nord knowing there was no sample editor released yet. I think that one is on you......


I would respectfully disagree with this statement. Here is the Nord product announcement, posted in April or May (I am not sure whether the date "05-04-2017" I read in the USA has been translated to US date format or not). Here it is:
http://www.nordkeyboards.com/about-us/i ... rd-stage-3

"...it is even possible to create and transfer your own samples using the Nord Sample Editor. "

The statement in the Nord announcement could not be any more clear.


They owe us the Sample Editor. No question. But my point was that when all of us ordered it, it wasn't yet available. It still isn't available. If you buy now, you are doing so with the knowledge that you are going to wait for it to be finished.
Last edited by Jonnie Cache on 10 Nov 2017, 13:16, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Jonnie Cache
 
Posts: 75
Joined: 30 Jun 2017, 19:46
Country: United States of America
Has thanked: 33 times
Been thanked: 6 times

Re: Goodbye Nord Stage 3

Postby anotherscott » 10 Nov 2017, 16:39

Jonnie Cache wrote:I don’t disagree that removing the DualKB panel is a big complaint. It is. But there is a workaround. I have tried setting it to MIDI channel 2 and it seems to work fine.

I wouldn't so much call it a "workaround" in that you're not using Panel MIDI in some unusual way to accomplish this, rather you are using it to do exactly what it was designed to do. Allowing a second keyboard to control Panel B, is pretty much the reasons it exists, so that has to work fine. Using Panel MIDI with a second keyboard was always very similar to the original function of Dual KB mode. The main difference is whether or not you can tweak Panel B while the built-in keyboard only plays Panel A.

Nord put it this way in the manual:
A second option for controlling parts of the Stage 3 from a external device would be to use its Panel MIDI capabilities, allowing for addressing each panel (A and B) on different MIDI channels. While this functionality is similar to the Dual Kb feature, both Panels could in this case be controlled “locally” from the Nord Stage 3 keyboard if desired.

What is missing from that explanation is that while Panel MIDI does indeed still allow you to play both panels locally, it simultaneously prevents you from operating panel B controls without playing panel B locally, and that is what some people are now missing. But many people don't need that function, and if you don't, there was effectively no difference between Dual KB and triggering the second panel via MIDI, other than that one is global and the other is Program-specific, and possibly some difference in how they treated pedals and such. I'll take the rest of what I was going to type here, and put it in the other thread where it is more relevant.
Last edited by anotherscott on 10 Nov 2017, 16:41, edited 1 time in total.

The author anotherscott was thanked by:
analogika
anotherscott
 
Posts: 3443
Joined: 07 Jan 2011, 04:50
Has thanked: 38 times
Been thanked: 1079 times

Re: Goodbye Nord Stage 3

Postby analogika » 10 Nov 2017, 16:49

Thank you for putting that clearly. Now I FINALLY understand what people are going on about, and Clavia‘s reason for removing the function (though I don‘t think that they needed to).
The Nord giveth; the Nord taketh away…
"The Angels of Libra are in the European vanguard of the [retro soul] movement“ (Bill Buckley, Soul and Jazz and Funk)
The Drawbars — off jazz organ trio
User avatar
analogika
 
Posts: 3288
Joined: 21 Nov 2013, 10:02
Country: Germany
Has thanked: 1126 times
Been thanked: 1398 times
Your Nord Gear #1: Nord Electro 2
Your Nord Gear #2: Nord Stage 3

Re: Goodbye Nord Stage 3

Postby Jonnie Cache » 10 Nov 2017, 21:57

anotherscott wrote:
Jonnie Cache wrote:I don’t disagree that removing the DualKB panel is a big complaint. It is. But there is a workaround. I have tried setting it to MIDI channel 2 and it seems to work fine.

I wouldn't so much call it a "workaround" in that you're not using Panel MIDI in some unusual way to accomplish this, rather you are using it to do exactly what it was designed to do. Allowing a second keyboard to control Panel B, is pretty much the reasons it exists, so that has to work fine. Using Panel MIDI with a second keyboard was always very similar to the original function of Dual KB mode. The main difference is whether or not you can tweak Panel B while the built-in keyboard only plays Panel A.

Nord put it this way in the manual:
A second option for controlling parts of the Stage 3 from a external device would be to use its Panel MIDI capabilities, allowing for addressing each panel (A and B) on different MIDI channels. While this functionality is similar to the Dual Kb feature, both Panels could in this case be controlled “locally” from the Nord Stage 3 keyboard if desired.

What is missing from that explanation is that while Panel MIDI does indeed still allow you to play both panels locally, it simultaneously prevents you from operating panel B controls without playing panel B locally, and that is what some people are now missing. But many people don't need that function, and if you don't, there was effectively no difference between Dual KB and triggering the second panel via MIDI, other than that one is global and the other is Program-specific, and possibly some difference in how they treated pedals and such. I'll take the rest of what I was going to type here, and put it in the other thread where it is more relevant.


I get it now. Thanks for the clarification.
User avatar
Jonnie Cache
 
Posts: 75
Joined: 30 Jun 2017, 19:46
Country: United States of America
Has thanked: 33 times
Been thanked: 6 times

Re: Goodbye Nord Stage 3

Postby Gambold » 10 Nov 2017, 22:56

>The Top 40 music I play in hotels and venues could not be performed without LOTS of synth sounds(Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Maroon 5 etc).<

I have to play the some crummy modern stuff too, but the Nord sample library is more than enough to cover Walk the Moon. I don't need to create anything out of whole cloth - If I can't find it here, I very likely don't need it:

http://www.nordkeyboards.com/sound-libr ... -2-0/synth

The same goes for strings, horns, off-market lutes, etc. I can see the need for a synth as a composer or a producer - a studio instrument - but your typical hotel lounge audience, most of them into their third gin rickey, are not going to begrudge you using a Nord sample for that hot cover of Take On Me.
Gambold
 

Re: Goodbye Nord Stage 3

Postby anotherscott » 10 Nov 2017, 23:30

Gambold wrote:>The Top 40 music I play in hotels and venues could not be performed without LOTS of synth sounds(Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Maroon 5 etc).<

I have to play the some crummy modern stuff too, but the Nord sample library is more than enough to cover

To keep it in context, you were talking about Electro being all you need, and of course that could very well be, but you have to admit there are lots of compromises using an Electro as your "synth" (despite all that useful stuff in the sample library), including lack of pitch bend, lack of modulation, lack of portamento. But yeah, I'm sure you can get by if you need to.
anotherscott
 
Posts: 3443
Joined: 07 Jan 2011, 04:50
Has thanked: 38 times
Been thanked: 1079 times

Re: Goodbye Nord Stage 3

Postby cgrafx » 11 Nov 2017, 00:50

As a NE5 owner, it would be very difficult to get by on just the NE5.

Samples not withstanding. Its not a synth.

It is exactly why the NS3 is so compelling (at least as soon as Nord gets through their initial growing pains)
Last edited by cgrafx on 11 Nov 2017, 00:51, edited 1 time in total.
Current Gear: NS3C, Alesis QS6.1, QS7.1 & QS8.2, Hammond B3 with Leslie 122, Yamaha CP70, Yamaha C3 6' Grand, Roland D-05, Roland AX-Edge, Waldorf Blofeld Keyboard, Behringer Arp Odyssey
cgrafx
 
Posts: 886
Joined: 22 Aug 2015, 08:48
Location: Northern California
Country: United States of America
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 291 times
Your Nord Gear #1: Nord Electro 5
Your Nord Gear #2: Nord Stage 3

PreviousNext

Return to Nord Stage Forum



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 31 guests