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Re: Sustain sound while changing programs?

Postby dmandaddy67 » 25 Apr 2017, 01:33

Jhbackingtracks wrote:It's so stupid, and upsetting that this can't be done. It's like the most requested feature for ANY live player. Why this feature isn't a thing, I just don't understand it. Everyone needs to change sounds during a song (most of the time at some point in their playing career) and hearing that horrible abrupt cut off, is just awful and not acceptable. I don't get why any pro end keyboard company wouldn't choose to work on including this feature, whatever it takes for it to be do-able. I completely feel your pain... but I'm pretty sure there's no work around on the Nord Piano. You can do 'cheat' versions of smooth sound transitions on the Stage, by using two slots, or crossfades between 'sections', but it's not proper and it still limits you in many ways.

I really hope in the near future, we see this feature from Nord. It's something EVERY live player needs and deserves in such high end keyboards such as Nord, that have the best sounds for our needs!


You have summarized my feelings well. I'm very disappointed that my new piano 3 doesn't have seamless transitions. I'm sure you're listening, Nord, is there ANY WAY you could provide this kind of feature through software updates, or is that impossible? If it were possible, though we've all already spent a lot of $ on these keyboards, I think we would even be willing to pay modestly for it to upgrade so that we wouldn't have to run out and get a Stage 3 to acquire the feature. I'm just so surprised that this feature hasn't been standard on the Nord for quite some time. You would certainly gain a bunch of even more intense fans if you were able to offer this upgrade somehow! Please consider if at all possible!
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Re: Sustain sound while changing programs?

Postby Frank Rose » 25 Apr 2017, 16:40

A piano teacher visited me yesterday. She was thinking of purchasing a Nord Piano 3 and wanted to see and play mine. Along with all the good stuff, I felt it was only right to point out the missing smooth transition issue. I was embarrassed when she said that even her $400 six year old Casio does this. Quite honestly, "disappointed" doesn't cover it for me. Regardless of what Nord (or anyone else) says, this is a glaring omission. After paying $3,000 and finding out two weeks later that this essential feature, found on every keyboard I've ever played was missing I had a sinking victimized feeling. I for one, could not sell this keyboard to someone without telling them about it. The issue is such a sore spot with so many new Nord Piano 3 customers that I feel Nord should step up and do something. Nord did recognize this omission and included it on the new Stage 3, even though there was a work-around. On the relatively new Piano 3 there is no work-around. A suggestion would be to promptly come out with a Piano 4 that would include the transition function. Original Piano 3 owners should not have to pay another $3,000 (plus) to get the transition function. The Piano 4 should be offered to current original registered Piano 3 owners at a significantly reduced price with a trade in that would confirm they are the original owners. Since the 3 pedal unit was included with the Piano 3, no pedal should be provided with the trade-in deal.
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Re: Sustain sound while changing programs?

Postby anotherscott » 25 Apr 2017, 18:21

Frank Rose wrote:A piano teacher visited me yesterday. She was thinking of purchasing a Nord Piano 3 and wanted to see and play mine. Along with all the good stuff, I felt it was only right to point out the missing smooth transition issue. I was embarrassed when she said that even her $400 six year old Casio does this. Quite honestly, "disappointed" doesn't cover it for me. Regardless of what Nord (or anyone else) says, this is a glaring omission. After paying $3,000 and finding out two weeks later that this essential feature, found on every keyboard I've ever played was missing

This reminds me of when I purchased my Yamaha S30 way back when. It didn't occur to me that it wouldn't have this feature because, by sheer coincidence, my previous keyboards did. There are plenty of keyboards that do, and plenty of keyboards that don't, and ones that do it in only very particular ways that you need to specifically create, or where you need to play the boards with an understanding of where it will work and where it won't. And if you're not aware of that, yeah, you can be disappointed, but that's because of your own knowledge gaps and not some attempt at deception on the part of the manufacturer. The underlying technology of the boards are not all identical, which leads to some being able to do some things easily that others may not be able to do at all or only within more limitations. In my experience, boards from Casio, Roland, and Kurzweil have long tended to be better than most at handling sound transitions. Yamaha, Korg, Hammond, and Nord have generally (though not universally) lagged in this, though they have often been among the stronger boards for other things.

As for your own situation, I'll pass along the same advice I posted in a similar thread elsewhere... you could buy a relatively small and inexpensive second board that has that feature for when you need it, Yamaha MX49, for example. On that, you can define sets of 16 sounds, and you can switch among those sounds seamlessly, though there is still a gap if you switch to a sound outside those 16. But that would take care of many people's needs for this, at pretty low cost or additional space requirements.
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Re: Sustain sound while changing programs?

Postby Frank Rose » 25 Apr 2017, 20:02

Thank you for your response. I do agree with part of your opinion. A buyer should do their homework before purchasing anything, particularly when it cost over $3,000. I am not familiar with the keyboards you mentioned but I seriously doubt there a "plenty" of quality keyboards in the $3,000 plus bracket that are not capable of pulling off a smooth transition in some way shape or form. A Nord shopper would naturally expect this to be true of the Nord as well. I have noticed that there are a lot of posts of dissatisfaction like mine and these people were taken by surprise just like I was. To me that says a lot and Nord should recognize this. We should have done our homework but what was lacking was not consistent with quality keyboards in that price range, and even below. "Buyer beware." I buy only quality instruments so your suggestion that I purchase a second inexpensive unit is impractical for many obvious reasons. I think my posted solution makes sense, and shows Nord has recognized significant customer dissatisfaction with one of their products. Please keep in mind that I do respect your opinion but I, along with many other dissatisfied Nord Piano 3 customers, still feel strongly about mine.Thank you.
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Re: Sustain sound while changing programs?

Postby anotherscott » 25 Apr 2017, 22:37

Frank Rose wrote:I seriously doubt there a "plenty" of quality keyboards in the $3,000 plus bracket that are not capable of pulling off a smooth transition in some way shape or form.

I was not qualifying my comments by price. There are not "plenty" of boards in the $3k+ bracket, period. ;-) But as you said, your teacher's $400 Casio did it. So I don't know if there's any more rationale for being bugged that a $3k Nord Piano doesn't do it than, say, someone feeling the same about their $1,700 Korg SV1-88 that doesn't do it, or their $2500 Hammond SK1-88. It's not a price thing, it's a design thing.

Frank Rose wrote:A Nord shopper would naturally expect this to be true of the Nord as well.

Since Nord has never really offered this functionality before, I don't know that a Nord shopper should have expected it. Again, I see it more as a knowledge gap based on the boards someone happened to have used before. Though as I hope I've made clear, I do understand being disappointed about it. (As I was about my S30.)

Frank Rose wrote:I have noticed that there are a lot of posts of dissatisfaction like mine and these people were taken by surprise just like I was. To me that says a lot and Nord should recognize this.

Recognizing that this is a common request is presumably why they built that functionality into the forthcoming Nord Stage 3 (and I'm glad they did). There was probably also more pressure from competition, as I think it took Yamaha until the new Montage to fully support this feature. Since Korg started fully supporting it with the Kronos, Nord may have been about the last holdout, so to speak.

Frank Rose wrote:I buy only quality instruments so your suggestion that I purchase a second inexpensive unit is impractical for many obvious reasons.
I think the Yamaha MX49 is still a high quality instrument. It's limited in what it can do, but it may do what you need. Another approach could be to possibly get this functionality from an attached laptop or tablet.

Frank Rose wrote:I think my posted solution makes sense

Even if it does, it could be a long wait. My suggestions would allow you to address your desires right away, so they could still be useful.

Frank Rose wrote:Please keep in mind that I do respect your opinion but I, along with many other dissatisfied Nord Piano 3 customers, still feel strongly about mine.Thank you.

Understood!
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Re: Sustain sound while changing programs?

Postby Frank Rose » 26 Apr 2017, 03:20

I still absolutely disagree with your opinion, even more now than before. I will not engage. Please move on. Thank you.
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Re: Sustain sound while changing programs?

Postby anotherscott » 26 Apr 2017, 16:52

One other thought for anyone else who may ever be surprised to find that their Nord doesn't have this feature... almost any dealer (online or brick-and-mortar) will let you return a board you are disappointed with.
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Re: Sustain sound while changing programs?

Postby SteveNordP3 » 26 Apr 2017, 22:34

I'll admit - I didn't research it well enough before I purchased. Having had the feature on other keyboards, yes, I expected it to be on the Nord but I didn't research it - I was sold on the piano sounds. It's a minor nuisance at this point. Nice to have, not critical to me.
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Re: Sustain sound while changing programs?

Postby Tom475 » 08 Jun 2017, 07:27

Please fix this issue. This would be a perfect instrument if not for this.

Having the keyboard cut off all sounds in between verses and choruses is terrible.

How could Nord overlook this... :thumbdown:
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Re: Sustain sound while changing programs?

Postby Berretje » 08 Jun 2017, 09:26

Tom475 wrote:Please fix this issue. This would be a perfect instrument if not for this.

Having the keyboard cut off all sounds in between verses and choruses is terrible.

How could Nord overlook this... :thumbdown:



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