Everything about the Nord Piano, Nord Piano 2, Nord Piano 3, Nord Piano 4, Nord Piano 5, and the Nord Grand.

Re: Nord Piano 3 anyone?

Postby orcoaffamato » 31 Oct 2015, 18:35

SingerNick wrote:I would love to see Nord attack piano modeling with the same practical controls as their current boards. For instance, you could narrow acoustic pianos down to five knobs: harp length, harp tuning, string material, hammer material, and some sort of "piano age" parameter that caused individual strings and hammers to become less uniform across the board.


There's already Viscount's Physis Piano that does it.
Nord Stage 3 HP76 / Nord Lead A1R / Nord Rack 3
User avatar
orcoaffamato
 
Posts: 160
Joined: 06 Jul 2014, 20:36
Country: Italy
Has thanked: 12 times
Been thanked: 43 times

Re: Nord Piano 3 anyone?


Sponsor
 

Re: Nord Piano 3 anyone?

Postby cphollis » 03 Nov 2015, 05:47

All in all, I've ended up pretty happy with the NP2.

Yes, I'd like more memory (who wouldn't?) but outside of that I'm more than willing to live with the compromise of weight vs. action. For comparison purposes, I had a Yamaha CP5 that had a much better action, but the sound wasn't as good, and the weight broke my back (literally!) on several occasions.

Glad when I sold it and moved on to lighter boards. The sample layering is surprisingly useful as "sweetener" for certain sounds. If I want to go crazy with layering, there's always the NS2 but I hate it's piano action.

I think the NP2 is one of those classics that will be around for many, many years. I want for no other.
I think I have gear issues ....
User avatar
cphollis
 
Posts: 1576
Joined: 01 Mar 2013, 20:56
Location: Vero Beach, Fl
Country: United States of America
Has thanked: 58 times
Been thanked: 696 times
Your Nord Gear #1: Nord Stage 4
Your Nord Gear #2: Nord Piano 5

Re: Nord Piano 3 anyone?

Postby electr0 » 04 Nov 2015, 22:12

I agree, and I don't. :-) I think the action could be improved, not necessarily by a lot, but I'm not particularly fond of the Fatar keybed. That said, after playing it for a few years, I've adjusted how I play a bit. So let's say the keybed is usable now.

Question might be who they would aim the piano at: Those who want to have a very real piano feel or those who mainly need a separate stage piano with great sound? Should they make the best hammer action keybed there is, or should they just make it better (move away from Fatar)?

How large impact does a wishlist have on Clavia? :-)
electr0
 
Posts: 4
Joined: 30 Oct 2015, 13:58
Country: Norway
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time
Your Nord Gear #1: Nord Electro 5
Your Nord Gear #2: Nord Piano

Re: Nord Piano 3 anyone?

Postby Spider » 05 Nov 2015, 01:27

electr0 wrote: Should they make the best hammer action keybed there is, or should they just make it better (move away from Fatar)?

How large impact does a wishlist have on Clavia? :-)


I think Clavia is pretty good at following forums and social media and trying to satisfy user needs... in their own very unique way ;)

That said, the hard truth is that there's really no chance of "moving away from Fatar".
The only way to do that would be to build their proprietary actions, but that's simply not feasible for a small company, the only ones able to do that are the REALLY big players (Yamaha, Roland, Casio, Korg and Kawai), who have the numbers to recover the costs of developing and producing their own actions, often based on their own expertise in building real acoustic pianos.
Everybody else, even relatively big names like Kurzweil, Nord and Hammond, rely on a third-party supplier, who 99% of the times is the market leader Fatar.

That said, I think the real question is: "Should Nord provide the best possible Fatar piano action (presently the TP-40 Wood) at the expense of increased cost, weight and reduced portability?
Let's not forget that Nord keyboards have a focus for live use and consequently weight, size and portability have always been among the first priorities.

My very personal view is that it may be worth it: in this way they would give the best possible piano-playing experience to piano purists, and at the same time differentiate the Nord Piano line from the Stage and Electro (now I think that they are a bit cannibalizing each other)

The author Spider was thanked by:
mi-ji
User avatar
Spider
 
Posts: 1122
Joined: 06 Nov 2012, 12:26
Country: Italy
Has thanked: 555 times
Been thanked: 564 times
Your Nord Gear #1: Nord Stage 2 EX
Your Nord Gear #2: Nord Wave

Re: Nord Piano 3 anyone?

Postby pablomastodon » 05 Nov 2015, 07:35

note that over time Roland and Korg have also used Fatar actions on some, but not all, of their models; I believe that they still do. Not sure about Casio...

bless,

pablo
bun fyah weh fyah fi bun
User avatar
pablomastodon
Patch Creator
 
Posts: 4389
Joined: 30 Apr 2010, 20:45
Country: Jamaica
Has thanked: 1895 times
Been thanked: 1963 times
Your Nord Gear #1: Nord Stage 3
Your Nord Gear #2: Nord Wave

Re: Nord Piano 3 anyone?

Postby SingerNick » 05 Nov 2015, 07:47

orcoaffamato wrote:
SingerNick wrote:I would love to see Nord attack piano modeling with the same practical controls as their current boards. For instance, you could narrow acoustic pianos down to five knobs: harp length, harp tuning, string material, hammer material, and some sort of "piano age" parameter that caused individual strings and hammers to become less uniform across the board.


There's already Viscount's Physis Piano that does it.


Exactly. Many have done it, but Nord could pull it off in a lighter board with better controls. It's unlikely to happen, but Nord's version would probably provide a superior user experience.
Nord Piano 2, Roland RD-64
User avatar
SingerNick
 
Posts: 44
Joined: 15 May 2012, 01:04
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Country: United States of America
Has thanked: 19 times
Been thanked: 20 times
Your Nord Gear #1: Nord Piano 2

Re: Nord Piano 3 anyone?

Postby Florian » 11 Nov 2015, 10:02

For me the most important things are: improved keybed with more dynamics. The Sustain of the Grand Piano needs to be improved it always feels a bit "harpsichordy" when i play it. Sometimes i can leave my foot on the sustain nearly for the complete piece. If i would do that on a real piano i would get a large cloud of stacked Tones. Finally i still need a pianosound which works under bad circumstances. At home or in the studio or espacially with headphones i like the stereoimage and the clean and hifi Sound. But with a wedge on small stages in mono i find it really hard to have fun during a concert. For some reasons all my other stagepianos sounds better in difficult envirements or in mono.
Last edited by Florian on 11 Nov 2015, 10:09, edited 2 times in total.
Florian
 
Posts: 29
Joined: 04 Apr 2011, 11:18
Country: Germany
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 9 times
Your Nord Gear #1: Nord Piano
Your Nord Gear #2: Nord Lead 1/2/2x

Re: Nord Piano 3 anyone?

Postby zephonic » 17 Nov 2015, 10:50

I would like a future NP3 to have a better action, too, but I have to say the action in my NP88 is not a dealbreaker. Sure, there is better out there, but as a complete instrument the NP is a mostly satisfying experience for me. Still, imagine if Clavia got Kawai to provide the action? Or even Casio...


The idea of piano modeling is a good one, and Clavia models analog synths and organs very well, so there must have been a reason why they chose sampling for piano and rhodes sounds? Regardless, I do like the idea of being able to modify certain key parameters, like ADSR (the attacks on most piano sounds are a little to spikey for my taste), perhaps open/close lid? The acoustic piano sounds can sound harsh on non-studio speakers, so a way to tweak some of that out would certainly be welcome. Or maybe a new piano patch that is optimized for live sound?

Like others, #1 request is more memory, of course. Add the Electro 5's display, ability to route the monitor input to the outputs, or even have the USB port double as an audio I/O? And of course, a proper 3-prong IEC cable! 8-)
I am not sure if this can be accomplished with the NP2, but it would be great if you could layer an acoustic grand patch with -say- a rhodes or DX patch? I know the NP2 lets you layer with the sample library, but it probably won't do two different patches from the piano section?

On a different note, I think Clavia could make a few folks happy if they released an iPad(Pro) holder that would fit into the music stand socket.
Last edited by zephonic on 17 Nov 2015, 10:59, edited 1 time in total.
zephonic
 
Posts: 56
Joined: 18 Jul 2012, 22:07
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
Country: United States of America
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 7 times
Your Nord Gear #1: Nord Piano
Your Nord Gear #2: Other Brand

Re: Nord Piano 3 anyone?

Postby pablomastodon » 18 Nov 2015, 01:31

zephonic wrote:...I think Clavia could make a few folks happy if they released an iPad(Pro) holder that would fit into the music stand socket.


emphasis on "few"

on the other hand, a cell phone charging port would be really handy...oh wait, there's already a post on that...
bun fyah weh fyah fi bun
User avatar
pablomastodon
Patch Creator
 
Posts: 4389
Joined: 30 Apr 2010, 20:45
Country: Jamaica
Has thanked: 1895 times
Been thanked: 1963 times
Your Nord Gear #1: Nord Stage 3
Your Nord Gear #2: Nord Wave

Re: Nord Piano 3 anyone?

Postby zephonic » 18 Nov 2015, 22:37

pablomastodon wrote:
zephonic wrote:...I think Clavia could make a few folks happy if they released an iPad(Pro) holder that would fit into the music stand socket.


emphasis on "few"



Perhaps. But there's quite a number of guys around here who use iPads for charts.

I stick mine on a separate music stand, as there aren't really any satisfactory solutions to mount them on keyboard stands (other than the Hercules). But maybe I'm overthinking this...
zephonic
 
Posts: 56
Joined: 18 Jul 2012, 22:07
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
Country: United States of America
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 7 times
Your Nord Gear #1: Nord Piano
Your Nord Gear #2: Other Brand

PreviousNext

Return to Nord Piano / Grand Forum



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 18 guests