Nord User Forum

[shirley]

I liked the NE4D organ/Leslie. I don't like the NE5D organ/Leslie.

What I hear with the NE5D is the classic 'motor boating'. Slow sounds like WAH - WAH- WHA - WHA ..... Very large peaks and nothing in between.

The fast speed sounds like a drum beat. Bam-Bam-Bam-Bam-Bam-Bam..... And, again nothing in between the beats/peaks. Very large peaks and very low valleys. I love the NE5D for all of the other great sounds, except for the organ.

BTW - I originally got into Nord keyboards because of the great organ/Leslie simulation. I thought that I could use my new NE5D 73 for everything, but now I'm back to having to choose what organ (not the NE5D) keyboard to use with an extra board for everything else.

I have owned the NE2, NE3, NE4D and the NE5D. In my humble opinion, the NE2 has the best organ/Leslie sound.

I love Nord keyboards. But something is wrong, when my 5D is sitting in the road case outside in the garage. Because, I don't want to use it anymore.

Yes, the 5D sounds great when used with a real Leslie 147. But really, what keyboard wouldn't?

[michael_C1]

Hey Shirley,

Yeah, it's a shame, because the Electro 5 is a terrific keyboard otherwise. I think Clavia really messed up this time around. They could do an update to change the rotary sim, but they don't seem inclined to do that.

Like you, I've had all the different Electro's over the years. It's such a convenient keyboard that I keep coming back to it. But unless the rotary sim changes I'm staying away from the new ones

[shirley]

[quote="michael_C1"]Well, I got an Electro 4SW 73 today, and it's a FAR better organ sound than that of the Electro 5 because there's no appreciable noise from the rotary effect (unless you want to add it) and there's a much more balanced sound, with good bass response, unlike the top heavy sound of the Electro 5.

I think think my 5D is too heavy on the bass end. Not the top (horn driver). This is why I hear such a strong bass beat - the Wha- Wha- Wha in the slow speed. And then there is the strong bass beat, like a drum in the fast speed. The horn driver in my 5D is no-existent.

A real Leslie cabinet, the bass rotor spins in one direction, and the horn rotor spins in the opposite direction. The (one way) direction of the output of the two never match up at the same time. This is where I think Clavia got it wrong. Seems to me, they think both outputs are always matched up. And they left out the resonance of the cabinet.

What I'm complaining about is the loud bass sound with my 5D. I only wish I had more of the horn coming forward to fill in the deep valley of the bass rotor 'Wah'. All I'm hearing is the bass rotor blaring away with nothing in between.

I wonder why your E5 sounded too top heavy?

[maurus]

Different amplification?

[michael_C1]

I think think my 5D is too heavy on the bass end. Not the top (horn driver). This is why I hear such a strong bass beat - the Wha- Wha- Wha in the slow speed. And then there is the strong bass beat, like a drum in the fast speed. The horn driver in my 5D is no-existent.
What I'm complaining about is the loud bass sound with my 5D. I only wish I had more of the horn coming forward to fill in the deep valley of the bass rotor 'Wah'. All I'm hearing is the bass rotor blaring away with nothing in between.
I wonder why your E5 sounded too top heavy?

Have you tried going into the rotary edit page and adjusting things? If the sim is set to the 'close mic' position you'll hear a lot more beating of the virtual bass drum, and if your balance setting is way over to bass emphasis you won't hear much top end. Worth a try if you haven't checked that.

As far as my E5 sounding top heavy, when I contacted Nord I was told by Pablo that the new rotary sim does emphasize the top end, which is what I experienced (besides the inherent noise that can't be dialed out). So, in your case, there's something off. It might be your balance settings or, as maurus mentioned, an amplifier issue. If I was a betting man, I'd lay money that it's a setting adjustment.

By the way, I'm totally loving my Electro 4SW73, the way it sounds, even though I'm now missing so many of the cool E5 features.

[pablotiburcio]

Do you considered to use a neo minivent ii in E5D ? Isn't it a good solution? Unfortunately, an expensive solution. I'm thinking to do that, since Clavia showed no interest in fix this probem...

[michael_C1]

Do you considered to use a neo minivent ii in E5D ? Isn't it a good solution? Unfortunately, an expensive solution. I'm thinking to do that, since Clavia showed no interest in fix this probem...

Hello Pablo from Brazil! I thought about the NeoV although it is expensive. But then I would have had to use the two outputs in mono, one for organ, if I were doing a split. Too expensive, and still not a great solution.

And why should we have to jump through hoops with this? One of the beauties of Nord keyboards is supposed to be convenience.

[shirley]

I think think my 5D is too heavy on the bass end. Not the top (horn driver). This is why I hear such a strong bass beat - the Wha- Wha- Wha in the slow speed. And then there is the strong bass beat, like a drum in the fast speed. The horn driver in my 5D is no-existent.
What I'm complaining about is the loud bass sound with my 5D. I only wish I had more of the horn coming forward to fill in the deep valley of the bass rotor 'Wah'. All I'm hearing is the bass rotor blaring away with nothing in between.
I wonder why your E5 sounded too top heavy?

Have you tried going into the rotary edit page and adjusting things? If the sim is set to the 'close mic' position you'll hear a lot more beating of the virtual bass drum, and if your balance setting is way over to bass emphasis you won't hear much top end. Worth a try if you haven't checked that.

Thank you for your advice michael_C1.

Yes, I have been thru all of the settings 'close mic' and the other options. They all sound the same to me.

Here is my live rig:
http://www.crownaudio.com/en-US/products/xti-6002
http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/port ... es/stx815m
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/AFC2/
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/AFC2/reviews/

I'm running a flat EQ on the preamp and the Crown. I don't see how changing the EQ of this rig is going to bring up the low valleys of the NE5 organ Leslie program.

I'm always open to suggestions.

[theGman]

Similar ^^^.....I DO play in a fairly loud classic rock and blues band, so the non-clean sound isn't as bad as it could be. I do have an E3/73 and had an E2, so it was quite the shock to hear what they did to the rotary sound.

I would make complete sense if this raspy sound was an option, but, after the clear sounds of the earlier Electro rotaries, all I can say is "What the heck were they THINKING?"

Having a vivid imagination for an old guy, I can't help but imagine some tech from Korg, Yamaha, Roland, etc. breaking into the Swedish lab one dark night and sabotaging their rotary sound just as production began.

[theGman]

My solution to the grinding noise is to use some Velcro and my Lester K rotary box instead, and set the speaker on the Comp setting. It sounds really good...don't let the low $$$ fool you!

I bought the Lester box after reading really good reviews on the Musicplayer.Com site. It is reasonably priced, about $175, works well. I put some black Velcro on the left side top and can now move on to something else to whine about.

Plus, you have 5 more knobs to fiddle with...right up a Nord players alley. It's a cream colour though; I kinda have an urge to spray paint it red. I could use red duct tape. I already bought a red power cord... had to admit it. : )