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Re: Clavinet Filter Clav switches missing on NE 5

Postby Lee Batchelor » 24 May 2017, 16:22

Great post AnotherScott! The Leslie with a bit of dirt is not a deal breaker for me. Nord still has the best B3/Leslie emulator on the market. I noticed the Electro-Harmonix Lester G has a mono in and stereo out. How does that work? (I prefer the G for the extra features like acceleration...) If I were to use that stomp box, how is it wired? I still need stereo for all my other voices.

Should we move this discussion to the original post about all this - wherever the heck that is :)!
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Re: Clavinet Filter Clav switches missing on NE 5

Postby anotherscott » 24 May 2017, 22:23

Yeah, this may not be the best place for this tangent! But you have a point, the external sim route can be a bit complicated if you also want to run your other sounds in stereo.

The simplest way to use an external sim is to set the NE5 for dual mono mode, send the mono organ out one side (the sim will generate its own stereo output from the mono organ input, which is the same thing the Nord does internally, since the organ sound itself is inherently mono), and then send all of your other sounds out the other side (also mono). If you want your other stuff to be stereo, you could pick a sim that has stereo input (like the Lester K, since the G does not have that feature), and then you engage or bypass the sim depending on what you're playing, but it's an imperfect solution, since that would not allow you to split or layer an organ and non-organ sound in such a way that you could play the two sounds simultaneously, putting the organ through the rotary effect but leaving the other sound unaltered. Even if you are okay with playing just one sound at a time--or more likely, falling back on the still-darn-good internal rotary for the times you must play organ and another sound simultaneously--there's still the nuisance of having to enable or bypass the pedal when switching to and from organ sounds... if you forget, suddenly you have leslie on your piano or your brass, not typically what you want! So is it do-able? Yeah, but I think it's not ideal unless you're okay with a dual mono setup. (The Nord Stage lets you get around this by having additional assignable outputs on the board.)
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Re: Clavinet Filter Clav switches missing on NE 5

Postby Lee Batchelor » 25 May 2017, 00:58

So much for that idea. Sounds like it would be easier to learn to fly an A380 Airbus!! Perhaps I'll just live with the 10 percent initial dirt. Nord really needs to send us a response (lame excuse?) to this issue. Mr. Nord...are you out there???
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Re: Clavinet Filter Clav switches missing on NE 5

Postby Gambold » 25 May 2017, 02:47

>Yes, the 5D sample is outstanding, however, traditionally ALL effects start in the Off position. <

True, but Clavia could argue that this is not an effect, it's a sample. A lot of Nord samples in the acoustic and electric piano groups have some less-than-perfect characteristics that have been widely-celebrated as "character." One could argue that the E5 leslie sim also has "character."

The problem is that Clavia offered a sample on previous models that, while possibly having less character, was nonetheless quite popular.
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Re: Clavinet Filter Clav switches missing on NE 5

Postby anotherscott » 25 May 2017, 03:04

just for accuracy's sake, I'll note that the rotary effect is not (and cannot be) "sampled" -- nor is the organ sound itself, for that matter.
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Re: Clavinet Filter Clav switches missing on NE 5

Postby stiiiiiiive » 25 May 2017, 10:13

Indeed, it is certainly an effect.

Now, saying that FX traditionally starts at "Off position" is... vague for at least two reasons, to me:
- for some FX, say a chorus, what does "off position" means? No second delayed voice ? Or no modulation of the delay time?...
- for some FX, say an amp sim or distorsion (e.g. ProCo RAT), even with the gain setting at 0, you would hear some character in the sound.

Anyway, not the subject here :)
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Re: Clavinet Filter Clav switches missing on NE 5

Postby Gambold » 25 May 2017, 17:39

>just for accuracy's sake, I'll note that the rotary effect is not (and cannot be) "sampled" <

Earlier on the thread someone said it was "modeled." My bad, I don't really understand the difference...but it seems that the grit was added for an attempt at realism. I wasn't surveyed on this need and I wonder if any Nord owners were - the decision-making process is the interesting question, and that goes for the removal of the Clavinet features too.
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Re: Clavinet Filter Clav switches missing on NE 5

Postby anotherscott » 25 May 2017, 18:01

Gambold wrote:>just for accuracy's sake, I'll note that the rotary effect is not (and cannot be) "sampled" <

Earlier on the thread someone said it was "modeled." My bad, I don't really understand the difference...


Short, simplified version:

Modeled = generating a sound electronically via a series of mathematical algorithms
Sampled = generating a sound by playing back a recording

So for example, the mellotron sounds are achieved via sampling... you are actually playing back a digital recording of a real mellotron. Similarly, the Nord's piano sounds are created primarily by playing back recordings of actual piano notes.

In theory, tonewheel organ sound can be recreated either way... a keyboard could play recordings of "real" organs, or the tones could be generated strictly electronically, which is what Nord does, and is the more common approach for a tonewheel organ recreation. (For reasons not worth going into here, using sampling tends to create phase problems and can also use up polyphony really quickly.)

A leslie speaker cannot be sampled, if for no other reason than, by itself, it basically doesn't make any sound! What Nord does is model (electronically simulate) what a Leslie speaker does to a sound that is sent into it; then it allow you to send sounds into that Leslie simulation.
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Re: Clavinet Filter Clav switches missing on NE 5

Postby therealdrawbars » 26 May 2017, 20:23

OrpheusNY wrote:Here's a thread with some specific suggestions for EQ starting points to approximate the various filter settings:

post82348.html


I tried those, and even tweaked them a bit. (They weren't all that different than those that my own ears chose, BTW.) The problem is, they were close, not spot on -- arguably no better than how well I can copy my NE3 on my Kurzweil SP4 (with Soundtower's S/W editor). I played around enough to come to the conclusion that one cannot perfectly copy the EQ tab settings with the Electro's 3-band EQ; it would take a 4-band model with two sweepable midrange filters, one for the 400-800Hz range, and the other for 3-5kHz. Whenever I dial in the upper 3rd and 4th octave 'just right,' the 2nd octave looses its punch. Turning up the bass a little helps, but it's still not the sound I'm looking for. And that doesn't even count the loss of the EQ for other things.

I recognize that every MI design has tradeoffs, but it's disappointing to see that the Clavinet seems to be a major target when designing the NE5. I notice that they also dropped the auto-wah (MuTron), which is a Clavinet staple, IMHO.

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Re: Clavinet Filter Clav switches missing on NE 5

Postby Lee Batchelor » 26 May 2017, 23:06

The EQ settings are only part of the equation. There's the room response and the type of speakers you use (along with whatever crossover setting is designed into them). In my next life, I'm taking up the spoons :)!
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