Re: 3HP keybed noise
I doubt Pablo can. The long term behavior of a TP100 action is not something suitable for bedrooms when your partner tries to sleep. In amplified contexts, however, the issue is a non-issue, IMHO.
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Re: 3HP keybed noise
since the time of the initial release of HP keybed on NE3, things have gotten better, but it is an imperfect world
my personal preference is for SW action
my personal preference is for SW action
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Re: 3HP keybed noise
When I had my E3HP I took it apart and lubricated each key, which as you know is laborious, but the noise came back slowly within two months and I was back to square one.
Then I purchased a new Arturia Keylab 88 controller which has the same action, and it's a currently produced keyboard. Initially the keys were very quiet, but after several months the TP100 action on THAT started getting noisy.
So, even though I play a lot of piano, I too have come around to preferring the SW action. Besides which, playing organ is fun on an SW, not so on the weighted Fatar keybeds. And there's always the option to hook up a nice weighted controller.
Then I purchased a new Arturia Keylab 88 controller which has the same action, and it's a currently produced keyboard. Initially the keys were very quiet, but after several months the TP100 action on THAT started getting noisy.
So, even though I play a lot of piano, I too have come around to preferring the SW action. Besides which, playing organ is fun on an SW, not so on the weighted Fatar keybeds. And there's always the option to hook up a nice weighted controller.
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Re: 3HP keybed noise
The TP/100 is an action purposely compromised to achieve a radically light weight. There are those for whom this compromise is worth it, and others for whom it is not.
Personally, I'm with you on the SW thing...even lighter than HP, smaller chassis profile, can be loaded into flight case and still not go over 50lb (airline limit before extra fees kick in)
Personally, I'm with you on the SW thing...even lighter than HP, smaller chassis profile, can be loaded into flight case and still not go over 50lb (airline limit before extra fees kick in)
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Re: 3HP keybed noise
Just to give a bit of a different perspective, I'm solidly in the HP camp. This is after having owned both the Electro 3 73 SW and 3HP. So, horses for course, as they say.
To keep context, I am primarily a piano player and I use the Electro for acoustic and electric piano. I play only jazz in two big bands and a few small combos, with the Electro being my only instrument. I also play in a jazz fusion group, but I add my Electro 4D for organ and synth sounds on that. I will use the E3 for organ on a few selected songs, but it's rare.
That being said, I have acclimated very well to the HP action, and much prefer it over the SW for piano playing. It provides the ability for me to play expressively, and feels closer to an acoustic piano action. It's not perfect, but it is certainly closer. I have written before in this forum about my adventures to completely clean and re-lubricate the HP action, which was nearly a year ago. I find the HP action plays better today than it did when I first bought the instrument.
I started with an Electro 2-61 and graduated to the Electro 3-73, which I used for about a year. I found that the SW was too sensitive for my playing, so I could not get the nuance I needed. In addition (as I and others have written before), I found the spring-back response of the SW too quick for playing piano. When I first got the E3HP, I found the action rather stiff, and the infamous clack noise showed about 8 months into ownership. With Pablo's help, I got the action replaced under warranty, but even the replacement action developed the clack noise. With the unit out of warranty, I took the risk of doing a thorough cleaning and lube job, and have not regretted it.
The HP action strikes a great balance of playability and weight. The fact that the instrument is less than 25 pound is a big reason I'm a proud owner. (there are other great reasons, of course).
Be aware that the action still has a bit of a mild "thunk" noise as the keys bottom out, but this is not an issue with the TP100, as pretty much all weighted actions do this to some extent. I do not consider that an issue at all.
It really comes down to a matter of taste and application. There is no other way to determine for yourself than to actually play the instruments, preferably in context.
To keep context, I am primarily a piano player and I use the Electro for acoustic and electric piano. I play only jazz in two big bands and a few small combos, with the Electro being my only instrument. I also play in a jazz fusion group, but I add my Electro 4D for organ and synth sounds on that. I will use the E3 for organ on a few selected songs, but it's rare.
That being said, I have acclimated very well to the HP action, and much prefer it over the SW for piano playing. It provides the ability for me to play expressively, and feels closer to an acoustic piano action. It's not perfect, but it is certainly closer. I have written before in this forum about my adventures to completely clean and re-lubricate the HP action, which was nearly a year ago. I find the HP action plays better today than it did when I first bought the instrument.
I started with an Electro 2-61 and graduated to the Electro 3-73, which I used for about a year. I found that the SW was too sensitive for my playing, so I could not get the nuance I needed. In addition (as I and others have written before), I found the spring-back response of the SW too quick for playing piano. When I first got the E3HP, I found the action rather stiff, and the infamous clack noise showed about 8 months into ownership. With Pablo's help, I got the action replaced under warranty, but even the replacement action developed the clack noise. With the unit out of warranty, I took the risk of doing a thorough cleaning and lube job, and have not regretted it.
The HP action strikes a great balance of playability and weight. The fact that the instrument is less than 25 pound is a big reason I'm a proud owner. (there are other great reasons, of course).
Be aware that the action still has a bit of a mild "thunk" noise as the keys bottom out, but this is not an issue with the TP100, as pretty much all weighted actions do this to some extent. I do not consider that an issue at all.
It really comes down to a matter of taste and application. There is no other way to determine for yourself than to actually play the instruments, preferably in context.
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Re: 3HP keybed noise
I can't believe nobody has noted the irony that while on this thread folks are trying all kinds of ways to get rid of keybed noise, on another recent thread, people are trying all kinds of ways to sample it and add it to the rhodes samples.
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Re: 3HP keybed noise
...where it would appear at the audio outputs of the instrument, and where it does not belong...
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Re: 3HP keybed noise
Not the same thing... the hammer noise of the rhodes is not the clackety noise of some keybeds...
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Re: 3HP keybed noise
Mr_-G- wrote:Not the same thing... the hammer noise of the rhodes is not the clackety noise of some keybeds...
Imagine that perhaps, in future years, some might consider these noises to be a 'feature', not an annoyance. Maybe like hammer noise, string noise and damper noise in piano software, or key click, crosstalk, amplifier hum in a Hammond/Leslie sim.
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Re: 3HP keybed noise
I'm leaning towards the waterfall myself (I have a piano background), I reckon I could get used to the waterfall feel relatively easily.
I played the n5 hp and stage 2ex hp76 at the shop today and for as much as I liked the added weight over the waterfall feel, I didn't like it enough to go with it.
I don't know if it makes sense but I would rather play a 'worse' feeling keyboard such as the waterfall as in my mind would tolerate it more knowing that it is not trying to imitate the piano.
I played the n5 hp and stage 2ex hp76 at the shop today and for as much as I liked the added weight over the waterfall feel, I didn't like it enough to go with it.
I don't know if it makes sense but I would rather play a 'worse' feeling keyboard such as the waterfall as in my mind would tolerate it more knowing that it is not trying to imitate the piano.
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