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ND2 issues with Beatstep Pro and other pad based controller

Postby digitali » 20 Jul 2015, 09:56

On my BSP using the 6 cv patches hand playing the pads results in a double trigger and sometimes more. 1 or more on the down press and 1 on release. Unless I play it really fast and barely touch it. I suspect something is happening with the velocity sensitivity.

On a midi keyboard controller with pads, Alesis VI25, the pads result in a softer sound no matter what velocity I press the pads with.

Is the ND2 meant to only be padded with standard drum pads?

Things I have tried.
Updated firmware to 3.0
Tried input sens from 5.0 through 5.1
Tried all the thresh sensitivy settings
Tried all 5 trigger types

I can only theorize that maybe the nord pad hand setting would work but its only active with the nord pad present.

If I had known of this issue I would have gone Vermona DRM. Still in return period, hmmm.

First 45 seconds of vid shows issue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqNo9Q6W_ws
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Re: ND2 issues with Beatstep Pro and other pad based control

Postby wartaler » 20 Jul 2015, 21:41

Hi!
I don't know, I'm still quite unfamiliar with CV, and I don't know the beatstep pro
I think the ND inputs expect a short pulse spike or change in voltage, think of a drum pad (piezo) hit with a drumstick..
CV as far as I understand, outputs a voltage as long as you press a key (voltage and frequency depends on which key you depress). When you depress a key, the ND senses a change which triggers a sound, and when you let go of the key again, the drop in voltage again triggers the ND apparently. Maybe you only want to output a single pulse, are there any options how to use the outputs on the beatstep pro? What about gate (v trigger)?
Maybe Jooga1972 can help..
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Re: ND2 issues with Beatstep Pro and other pad based control

Postby digitali » 20 Jul 2015, 21:46

wartaler wrote:Hi!
I don't know, I'm still quite unfamiliar with CV, and I don't know the beatstep pro
I think the ND inputs expect a short pulse or change in voltage, think of a drum pad (piezo) hit with a drumstick..
CV as far as I understand, outputs a voltage as long as you press a key (voltage and frequency depend on which key you depress). When you depress a key, the ND senses a change which triggers a sound, and when you let go of the key again, the drop in voltage again triggers the ND apparently. Maybe you only want to output a single pulse, are there any options how to use the outputs on the beatstep pro? What about gate (v trigger)?
Maybe Jooga1972 can help..
Albert


The BSP has v-trigger for the sequence parts over midi but not with the patch connections for each drum part.
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Re: ND2 issues with Beatstep Pro and other pad based control

Postby wartaler » 20 Jul 2015, 22:55

Hi,
sorry, see, I don't know anything about the Beatstep pro,
You are using the drum gate outputs, I thought you were using CV
The BSP manual says: "Two voltages are sent for each note: one for Gate open and one for Gate close. " but to be honest, these type of outputs puzzle me. You can trigger the ND with e.g. a Roland 909, so it's not only through pads/drum triggers that you can trigger the inputs. The exact nature of the signal required I don't know, but if you tried all settings on both devices..
MIDI?
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Re: ND2 issues with Beatstep Pro and other pad based control

Postby digitali » 20 Jul 2015, 23:06

Yes drum gates sorry. Anyway to turn off the close? I see nothing.
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Re: ND2 issues with Beatstep Pro and other pad based control

Postby wartaler » 20 Jul 2015, 23:24

Indeed, the only 2 options seem S-trigger (which doesn't sound right for ND) or V-trigger
If the note on voltage is higher than the note off voltage, (I don't know that) maybe a very high threshold on the ND might filter the note off signals away*, but you tried all sorts of settings already ...
:?

*edit: this is rubbish; for gate open it outputs a (constant DC) voltage x, for gate close a (constant DC) voltage y,
- apparently the ND responds to changes in voltage going from gate closed to gate open, and again when going from gate open to close, not sure though
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Re: ND2 issues with Beatstep Pro and other pad based control

Postby jooga1972 » 21 Jul 2015, 09:45

In all honesty, I'm very unfamiliar with CV. When I saw that the Beatstep Pro is finally available I thought I'd give it a try at my local shop with the ND2 using the BSP's drum gate outs and the ND's trig ins, and if the whole thing is really that magnificient, I may decide to pick one BSP up. I don't use pads with the ND (and i I ever will I'll buy the Nord Pad..), only sequence it with Nord Beat and the only reason I started looking at the new Beatstep was owing to the bpm glitch in Nord Beat discussed here on the board in another thread. But now, that Clavia is considering a Nordbeat update I decided to wait and see what the future brings. For the time being I'm OK with Loopy HD controlling the tempo in Nord Beat.
Hope your issues will get sorted out soon @digitali, I'm sorry I cannot be of any help.
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Re: ND2 issues with Beatstep Pro and other pad based control

Postby Black-Man » 24 Jul 2015, 02:40

It is disappointing to hear your issues w/ the BSP and ND2. I love my ND2 and am an owner of the original BS - but it is difficult to use w/o the visual feedback and the software. I was really hoping those Drum CV outs were triggers instead of gates. I don't get the design choice there - the 2 sequence banks have CV/Gate out already - seems that if you're doing a drum section you would choose trigger. Then you could trigger any of the Roland V-Drum or Yamaha drum brains as well. Why did they do that??
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Re: ND2 issues with Beatstep Pro and other pad based control

Postby wartaler » 24 Jul 2015, 07:07

Hi,
Apparently, the drum gate/trigger outputs of the beatstep pro are not that suitable to trigger the ND2
However, you can use MIDI instead, and even if the drum gate triggering did work, you gain control over velocity and all other sound parameters thru CCs.
Cheers,
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Re: ND2 issues with Beatstep Pro and other pad based control

Postby Black-Man » 25 Jul 2015, 04:44

Roland V-Drums support velocity at their trigger inputs - as does the Nord Drum 2. I don't see any advantage for MIDI. Plus triggers are *fast* - zero latency - unlike MIDI.
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